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Old 07-09-2013 | 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp

And that sounds suspiciously like the AT was in HOLD mode at idle and autothrottle wakeup didn't occur due to low altitude...
And the guy was two handin the yoke most likely. Like my favorite LCA does while complaining about everyone overriding the precious auto throttles too much on the line. TOOL
Old 07-09-2013 | 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by iaflyer
It does - but for crying out loud (and this isn't directed at you 80, just a convenient post to quote) wasn't one of the 3 pilots in the cockpit monitoring the airspeed?

As as Timbo or someone said, they should of gotten a LOW AIRSPEED eicas message. If that won't get someone's attention - what would!? Apparently being BELOW the seawall on short final did....
Sounds a lot like that eastern crash where no one was looking outside, they were looking at a landing gear light
Old 07-09-2013 | 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by PinnacleFO
Sounds a lot like that eastern crash where no one was looking outside, they were looking at a landing gear light
It looks like they weren't looking at anything....particularly their airspeed....
Old 07-09-2013 | 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
It looks like they weren't looking at anything....particularly their airspeed....
While it seems to be going in the direction of pilot error, it is still very early on in the investigation. I know after the BA crash people were saying the same thing days after the investigation.

That being said, there a plenty of links in the chain leading to the accident. Fortunately most were saved, who otherwise would have perished as a direct result of the cabin crew, fire fighters, rescuers, and, last but not least, a durable Boeing product.
Old 07-09-2013 | 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
Well, put it this way, 3 of 4 90s I flew in the last week had the APU on MEL. I attract those kind of airplanes evidently.
Criminal I tell ya!!!!

Why can't they get APUs to work like normal jet engines. The main motors don't have that start reliability they are only cranked twice as much but fail ten + times more.
Old 07-09-2013 | 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
Well, put it this way, 3 of 4 90s I flew in the last week had the APU on MEL. I attract those kind of airplanes evidently.

Its not just you. I recently had a -90 with 7...SEVEN!!!...MEL items.
Old 07-09-2013 | 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by grasshopper
Criminal I tell ya!!!!

Why can't they get APUs to work like normal jet engines. The main motors don't have that start reliability they are only cranked twice as much but fail ten + times more.
If you had to sit back there all day listening to the outta sync csd's,you'd be cranky too....
Old 07-09-2013 | 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Doug Masters
Its not just you. I recently had a -90 with 7...SEVEN!!!...MEL items.
As we used to say at my regional, that's a very "Pinnacle" day.
Old 07-09-2013 | 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by DeadHead
While it seems to be going in the direction of pilot error, it is still very early on in the investigation. I know after the BA crash people were saying the same thing days after the investigation.

That being said, there a plenty of links in the chain leading to the accident. Fortunately most were saved, who otherwise would have perished as a direct result of the cabin crew, fire fighters, rescuers, and, last but not least, a durable Boeing product.
All good points... Didn't it come out very quickly that the engines weren't responding to TL commands, though?
Old 07-09-2013 | 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
All good points... Didn't it come out very quickly that the engines weren't responding to TL commands, though?
Might of, thought it took a few weeks, but can't really be sure.

I'm curious to see what the CVR reports come out with.

Still having a hard time believing that this may ultimately come out to an approach-to-landing stall.
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