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Old 07-10-2013, 12:39 AM
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I side with ALPA (and believe me that pains me), but I give them a thumbs up. Releasing this much info this soon, without any other information is offering an incomplete picture. It's the NTSB, let them take their time. Why release little small facts out of context from the rest of the contributing factors of the accident? This hasn't happened before to the degree of how much they released information. This was a lot. All it does is cause the media to speculate even more and paint the pilots like dirt. The truth should come out in whole, not incomplete bits of pieces. What was their previous 72 hr lookback? Did they sleep onboard during their rest period? Were they fatigued? Those answers they can't give us yet because that is human performance and that takes time. By doing this, people will judge and screw the pilots before the final probable cause even comes out.


Back on subject, DALPA is running again? I hear they have close to 5500 signatures. You guys doing a vote?
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Old 07-10-2013, 12:41 AM
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The hard data belongs to the NTSB, therefore it belongs to us
What? It belongs to the NTSB, not "us."

Some things won't be disclosed, like the actual CVR recording. Just the transcript. But not the 2 hr recording.
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Old 07-10-2013, 03:11 AM
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Old 07-10-2013, 03:46 AM
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy View Post
I side with ALPA (and believe me that pains me), but I give them a thumbs up. Releasing this much info this soon, without any other information is offering an incomplete picture. It's the NTSB, let them take their time. Why release little small facts out of context from the rest of the contributing factors of the accident? This hasn't happened before to the degree of how much they released information. This was a lot. All it does is cause the media to speculate even more and paint the pilots like dirt. The truth should come out in whole, not incomplete bits of pieces. What was their previous 72 hr lookback? Did they sleep onboard during their rest period? Were they fatigued? Those answers they can't give us yet because that is human performance and that takes time. By doing this, people will judge and screw the pilots before the final probable cause even comes out.
its data points though. you compile them all together and then figure out why later. but that won't change the facts.

as to the 72 hour look back, how would that help the pilots if this turns out to be airmanship related?
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Old 07-10-2013, 03:58 AM
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the question Ive got is if this turns out to be pilot error will this have people demanding more automation or more piloting skill?
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Old 07-10-2013, 04:28 AM
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the question Ive got is if this turns out to be pilot error will this have people demanding more automation or more piloting skill?
It will have people demanding cheaper tickets.
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Old 07-10-2013, 04:29 AM
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FTB,
What kind of bs are you trying to pull? 38 minutes and no underboob!
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Old 07-10-2013, 04:49 AM
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Anybody find her a little attractive?
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Old 07-10-2013, 06:48 AM
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Originally Posted by avi8tor220 View Post
Anybody find her a little attractive?
the NTSB website links to their twitter account. read their twitter announcements on the accident and you'll see the official comment followed by "admit it! pilots F'd up!"

followed by "she's hot!!"

all on the NTSB website.
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Old 07-10-2013, 07:16 AM
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Originally Posted by avi8tor220 View Post
Anybody find her a little attractive?
Its not just her looks.
Its the pilot pillow talk. The way she s l o w l y and c a r e f u l l y a n n u n c i a t e s all those sexy words like airspeed and autothrottles and glide slope.

Ooh la la.

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