I know Bar likes to give the 88 hell, but I'll take an 88 over a lot of the 90s except for the JAL birds, I like those.

I seriously thought you meant the channel.

Then I realized I need to go bid.

 

That was sort of foolish what ALPA put out today. All the NTSB is doing is putting out factual data without conclusions. That is standard protocol.

A bit concerning considering the emails I'm getting now from the DPA on how close they are to filing. I'm afraid the DPA leadership doesn't have the maturity level to take over and run things appropriately, but ALPA keeps on helping them out.

 

 

It certainly is. The hard data belongs to the NTSB, therefore it belongs to us. As soon as it's retrieved, it needs to be made public. Conclusions and probable cause are another matter as you state. ALPA should know this, but instead the Chairwoman had to remind them and embarrass them (us).

None of the DPA leadership after a decertification of ALPA has been elected by Delta pilots yet. So their maturity level can't be judged.

Carl

 

I don't think we are quarterbacking on here, shy. At least not like you are making it out to be. We just kind of want to know what happened. This is a good place to talk shop.

 

Completely agreed.

You know my observations/feelings on Caplinger.

 

I side with ALPA (and believe me that pains me), but I give them a thumbs up. Releasing this much info this soon, without any other information is offering an incomplete picture. It's the NTSB, let them take their time. Why release little small facts out of context from the rest of the contributing factors of the accident? This hasn't happened before to the degree of how much they released information. This was a lot. All it does is cause the media to speculate even more and paint the pilots like dirt. The truth should come out in whole, not incomplete bits of pieces. What was their previous 72 hr lookback? Did they sleep onboard during their rest period? Were they fatigued? Those answers they can't give us yet because that is human performance and that takes time. By doing this, people will judge and screw the pilots before the final probable cause even comes out.


Back on subject, DALPA is running again? I hear they have close to 5500 signatures. You guys doing a vote?

 

What? It belongs to the NTSB, not "us."

Some things won't be disclosed, like the actual CVR recording. Just the transcript. But not the 2 hr recording.

 

 

its data points though. you compile them all together and then figure out why later. but that won't change the facts.

as to the 72 hour look back, how would that help the pilots if this turns out to be airmanship related?