Originally Posted by Roadkill

Thx. However, the last weekly update showing is Jul 5th and doesn't discuss hiring... I saw someone before say it was up and then pulled down.

We all may be seriously overjumping the gun here, there is in fact NOT any public announcement, in writing, of hiring posted ? I'm looking for good news like everyone else, but it seems some of us are so desperate to bang the drum that we're banging it without even a written public announcement? Oh please... let it NOT be a typo or cut and paste mistake that was quickly removed as totally bogus.

Good analysis FTB for the hiring, but also take into account the CR statement we are 300 overstaffed now in your subtractions.

Originally Posted by Roadkill

Thx. However, the last weekly update showing is Jul 5th and doesn't discuss hiring... I saw someone before say it was up and then pulled down.

We all may be seriously overjumping the gun here, there is in fact NOT any public announcement, in writing, of hiring posted ? I'm looking for good news like everyone else, but it seems some of us are so desperate to bang the drum that we're banging it without even a written public announcement? Oh please... let it NOT be a typo or cut and paste mistake that was quickly removed as totally bogus.

Good analysis FTB for the hiring, but also take into account the CR statement we are 300 overstaffed now in your subtractions.

Originally Posted by Roadkill

Thx. However, the last weekly update showing is Jul 5th and doesn't discuss hiring... I saw someone before say it was up and then pulled down.

We all may be seriously overjumping the gun here, there is in fact NOT any public announcement, in writing, of hiring posted ? I'm looking for good news like everyone else, but it seems some of us are so desperate to bang the drum that we're banging it without even a written public announcement? Oh please... let it NOT be a typo or cut and paste mistake that was quickly removed as totally bogus.

Good analysis FTB for the hiring, but also take into account the CR statement we are 300 overstaffed now in your subtractions.

Originally Posted by forgot to bid

I'm hoping 300 becomes the "start in January and then hiring indefinitely after that" that keeps being bandied about.

If you go back to January 2013, we had 56 scheduled retirements in 2013 with 21 already retired and 35 that will retire. There will be 121 in 2014 for a total of 177.

If you look at the seniority list in Jan vs now, we've had 61 leave. However, that's the seniority list and I didn't go through to check the percentage of those scheduled for retirement or who have left were actually line pilots. But anyways, by that number 40 more have left than the scheduled 21 and I think that's the norm.


Anyways, what is the delivery rate with the 717s? 6 in Oct and 3 a month after that? Assume 100% of the 739s are non growth for a moment and we've been told 100% of the 717s are growth, so that's:

• 48 B717s x rumored 7 crews / 14 pilots per jet = 672 needed pilots.
• 270ish pilots were funded internally in the March AE plus whatever changed in the recent one, but stick with 270. We still need 402 717 pilots (672 - 270).
• Plus 177 retirement replacements.
• We need 672 - 270 + 177 pilots or 579 pilots.

Why is it only 300 if it's already known the 717s are all growth plus retirements?

Originally Posted by daldude

I guess you just found the the 300 surplus pilots that CR has been talking about. Displacements and hiring at same time. Yikes that is a lot of training.

Originally Posted by forgot to bid

You ain't kiddin. 300 new hires plus more 7ER/767 displacements to who knows where, end of DC9 displacements, growth of the 737 categories... yikes.

How many events can this training department handle a year again?

But come hell or high water, no matter what, even if flights are cancelled - the A320 is overstaffed.

Originally Posted by Purple Drank

The good news is, junior guys will initially move even further backwards, as bypass folks return. (Granted, it will be less than 200.)

Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp

Given the timing of the new bodies, the unfilled 717 slots will be slated for newbies and displacements to "fund" positions will slow to a trickle or cease. It was just illogical on the latest crew planning news that they could even think of "funding" the 717 slots with continued displacements.