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Old 07-07-2013 | 10:06 PM
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Strange how the 88 has seemingly strayed off the normal DL course since I was there.
VNAV. You said VNAV right? You evidently turned it off. I'll turn it back on for you.

Being trilingual on VNAV, IAS/VS and hand flying is the way to go. There was probably a time that IAS/VS and hand flying were all some wanted to know and were willing to know. Now we all know VNAV to the FAF too. Don't get me wrong, it's not a bad thing. But 1 over the other by a country mile is not a good thing and hopefully the emphasis will be in all three being loved equally and working together like a well oiled machine.

Well oiled machine = FTB, cutting the grass, without a shirt and using tanning oil. Or in its absence canola oil.

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Statistically, the Airbus 320 fleet hand flies the lowest of all the fleets. I guess that's because we're never actually in control of what the airplane does.
You have a point.

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I also treat a line check/fed ride virtually the same as every flight. Keep the ball in bounds and they have no room to question you. If they do, question them right back respectfully. Enjoy the watching the backpeddle.
The A I was flying with just today said the same thing. He had a LCA being checked by the FAA checking him. He brought up the automation policy and justifying why he reduced the automation on his arrival and approach and he won an argument on the debrief.

What's in the books is good. Delta's automation policy is a good one... and a good one to remember. So is what VOL 1 actually says about when you should use VNAV. The books have it right.

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Old 07-07-2013 | 10:18 PM
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The A I was flying with just today said the same thing. He had a LCA being checked by the FAA checking him. He brought up the automation policy and justifying why he reduced the automation on his arrival and approach and he won an argument on the debrief. Put it that way.

What's in the books is good. Delta's automation policy is a good one... and a good one to remember. So is what VOL 1 actually says about when you should use VNAV. Notice I didn't say must, just should.
Exactly.

The only thing that changes is the amount of angry birds that may occur.
Old 07-07-2013 | 10:20 PM
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Just heard the CA only had 43 hours in type and it was his first time into SFO. What was the copilot doing????????
Old 07-07-2013 | 10:22 PM
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Just heard the CA only had 43 hours in type and it was his first time into SFO. What was the copilot doing????????
Was the copilot a LCA? Or just a copilot?
Old 07-07-2013 | 10:25 PM
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Just heard the CA only had 43 hours in type and it was his first time into SFO. What was the copilot doing????????
He was with an LCA and was still on OE. All those eyes looking on in the cockpit watching it happen...
Old 07-07-2013 | 10:27 PM
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Was the copilot a LCA? Or just a copilot?
Well, take this with a huge grain of salt, it was CNN...but they said it was his first time flying as a qualified 777 CA and his first trip into SFO. I'm guessing he had a normal crew, no LCA, but that's total speculation. I can't imagine a LCA would let it deteriorate that badly.
Old 07-07-2013 | 10:28 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
He was with an LCA and was still on OE. All those eyes looking on in the cockpit watching it happen...
What an absolute cluster.
Old 07-07-2013 | 10:30 PM
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BTW, I just landed in LAX and you should have seen the appreciative almost spiritual thank you's from the pax. This stuff really shakes up the customers. Plus, with SFO down to one runway for the bigs, LAX was crazy!
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What an absolute cluster.
That is my take from the available data. Of course that is subject to change due to the finicky nature of the media...
Old 07-08-2013 | 12:24 AM
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Hey Y'all,
Just finished the 717, 5 day differences. It was the fire hose effect. However, it was not that bad. I even enjoyed some of it. All the instructors were great. Hope this helps a few of y'all.
Cheers!
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