Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
07-08-2013, 06:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Timbo
I did recurrent in April, the first of this cycle's new syllabus, it included hand flown visuals for both pilots, but it was just a simple box pattern for each, turn left, turn left, turn left, gear down, land.
What I'll ask for next time is to fly the SFO Quiet Bridge to 28R, side step to 28L at 3 miles, with no ILS, starting at about 5000', 10miles out.
Any of you guys remember that CRM training film we called "Hey Bill" ?
"Hey Bill load that 28L in the box, wudja? And give me VNAV. And Hey Bill...how about a Runway Change Checklist? And Bill...how about gear down? Hey Bill? Can you clean me up to the runway? Flaps 30 please Bill, and update my speed, set the missed approach altitude, landing check, and...Hey Bill...did you call Tower yet?"
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What I'll ask for next time is to fly the SFO Quiet Bridge to 28R, side step to 28L at 3 miles, with no ILS, starting at about 5000', 10miles out.
Any of you guys remember that CRM training film we called "Hey Bill" ?
"Hey Bill load that 28L in the box, wudja? And give me VNAV. And Hey Bill...how about a Runway Change Checklist? And Bill...how about gear down? Hey Bill? Can you clean me up to the runway? Flaps 30 please Bill, and update my speed, set the missed approach altitude, landing check, and...Hey Bill...did you call Tower yet?"
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07-08-2013, 07:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob
What ever happened to just turn the flight directer off, set up a 3 to 1 glide angle, fly the extended centerline, and do some of that pilot stuff? It's not rocket surgery. Amazingly, the same stick and rudder skills I use in a Luscombe also work in a Boeing.
07-08-2013, 07:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob
The same stick and rudder skills I use in a Luscombe also work in a Boeing.
45 hours in a 777 for Asiana probably equals the same number of legs as 3.5 hours in an RJ or Turboprop. Just a guess that their 10,000 hour guys really have the same hand flying time (or inside the marker experience) as some of our regional airline new hires.
It has struck me (as these days I'm not getting much actual flight time doing one leg red eyes from South America) that I lean on the thousands of hours doing CHA-ATL-CSG-ATL-MCN-ATL-AVL-ATL-AGS-ATL four days a week, sometimes with four hand flown CATII approaches a day... what if a person just never has that experience?
07-08-2013, 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
I'm not opposed to the DPA. I'm not opposed to DALPA. But I am opposed to ALPA National. I'd rather be independent.
07-08-2013, 08:21 AM
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Here at PCL you will hand fly 2 approaches each time you are in the box a single engine ILS, and a non precision approach. We also fly a zero flap landing with no ILS, VASI or PAPI. So to say the regional new hire at Delta doesn't hand fly is a little reaching.
07-08-2013, 08:26 AM
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When I was doing my OE as a new guy on the ER, I got sidestepped on final on an approach into LAS. I immediately went head down to reprogram the FMS when my LCA said, "You're a Herc guy, right? Why not just turn all that crap off and fly the plane?"
And - boom - there I was, right in my comfort zone. "Turn all that crap off and fly the plane" is probably the best advice I've ever gotten as an airline pilot. Well, that and "Never drink with the FAs."
And - boom - there I was, right in my comfort zone. "Turn all that crap off and fly the plane" is probably the best advice I've ever gotten as an airline pilot. Well, that and "Never drink with the FAs."
07-08-2013, 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Will
Here at PCL you will hand fly 2 approaches each time you are in the box a single engine ILS, and a non precision approach. We also fly a zero flap landing with no ILS, VASI or PAPI. So to say the regional new hire at Delta doesn't hand fly is a little reaching.
07-08-2013, 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by TANSTAAFL
So you'd be fine with an independent union with the same cast who has been running things post CEM (common era Moak)
07-08-2013, 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by FrankCobretti
When I was doing my OE as a new guy on the ER, I got sidestepped on final on an approach into LAS. I immediately went head down to reprogram the FMS when my LCA said, "You're a Herc guy, right? Why not just turn all that crap off and fly the plane?"
And - boom - there I was, right in my comfort zone. "Turn all that crap off and fly the plane" is probably the best advice I've ever gotten as an airline pilot. Well, that and "Never drink with the FAs."
And - boom - there I was, right in my comfort zone. "Turn all that crap off and fly the plane" is probably the best advice I've ever gotten as an airline pilot. Well, that and "Never drink with the FAs."
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07-08-2013, 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by FrankCobretti
When I was doing my OE as a new guy on the ER, I got sidestepped on final on an approach into LAS. I immediately went head down to reprogram the FMS when my LCA said, "You're a Herc guy, right? Why not just turn all that crap off and fly the plane?"
And - boom - there I was, right in my comfort zone. "Turn all that crap off and fly the plane" is probably the best advice I've ever gotten as an airline pilot. Well, that and "Never drink with the FAs."
And - boom - there I was, right in my comfort zone. "Turn all that crap off and fly the plane" is probably the best advice I've ever gotten as an airline pilot. Well, that and "Never drink with the FAs."
About 7 years ago I was on the jumpseat on Delta 75 going to Miami.
Nice night and the FO turned everything off and cleared the FD. The CA asked what he was doing and the FO replied getting some practice raw data approach. The CA "absolutely not" and told the FO to turn the FD and throttles on and wait until inside 1000 feet to turn of the autopilot. I was surprised on the CA actions but it is his plane.
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