Really disappointed in you FIIGMO. Cancer from the "other side"? Really? You probably don't even know what "side" Drank is from. Not too long ago you bitterly complained about fNWA guys possibly bumping you out of your Seattle base because of the unfair SLI in your view. Yet Delta didn't have a Seattle base prior to the merger, only NWA did. Now you post this hateful stuff? You don't even know what you're talking about and it makes you sound like one of those few Delta pilots that give all of us a bad name.

There's a number of us fNWA guys that get the feeling that the whole "acquired not hired" thinking lives right below the surface among fDAL pilots despite the outward niceties. Your post here tends to reinforce that belief. Bar posts his loathing of the SLI, then another posts his loathing of all NWA pilots and wish that the merger never happened. Yet hardly a single response from a fDAL pilot admonishing that kind of stuff.

Really, really sad.

Carl

Wait! Wait! Let me bolt my lucky kangaroo to your bike.....

Carl,

The NWA pilots can make a somewhat credible argument that their side brought resources to the table that prevented Delta from folding under the weight of it's undercapitalization. It is all speculation.

What we do know is the Company has done well since it has merged. The Company is making good on it's promises to shift flying back to mainline ( to some extent ) with ALPA's active engagement.

Other than our work together on our contract, pilots had nearly no say in the matter. Some did better than others no doubt. From the NWA perspective I can see how some of the 320 drivers felt that the merger did not respect status quo. To the extent "status quo" was not the primary consideration of the arbitrator I think the man went off the reservation, but that's just my opinion.

"Acquired, not hired" sounds like a low self esteem issue. As I tell my wife, "you look terrific honey, now lets go, we have some place to be."

We are merged ... therefore "you do look terrific, honey."

Smooches,
Bar

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Denied a bicycle and official entry to the race, Lance Armstrong felt he was still competitive after taking his latest special blend of performance enhancers.

The flow up section of this website is not the exact contract language. The 25% in a rolling 12 months is the total annual cap, or about 110 pilots. They are assigned the first 20 positions each month there are new hire classes until they hit that number. They can be held back at Compass for a max of 3 months.

The method necessary to minimize the number of compass flow ups is to hire a large number of pilots each month. If the company hired 100 pilots at the rate of 20/month, all of them would be from compass. If the company hired 100 pilots all in one month, only 20 would be from Compass.

On a side note, in 2010 Compass wanted 6 months from the announcement from Delta to the first Compass pilot leaving the property. It appears this time they got closer to that so there might not be hold backs for everyone like last time.

Your viewpoint is skewed by the fact that there hasn't been a merger for you. You work in a world (the whale) isolated from former Southies. Your "outward niceties" come from a bunch of internet weenies. I've had the pleasure of throwing gear for a BUNCH of former Northies and have shared a few beers with ALL of them on overnights. In terms of a merger, we're a LOT more alike than we are different.........

Sounds a little harsh from you Fig. The guy just wants some change in the union. Nothing wrong for wanting to fill out a DPA card. Try not to get so worked up.

Carl,

Between you and me, I think being on a fenced fleet does isolate us from the "integration" in good and bad ways. I believe my perspective is skewed due to this, in ways I'm not even aware of.

For me, the SLI is over, done, and behind us. The only way for me to tell if a pilot is fnwa is if they tell me. Good or bad, from where I sit, we're all in this together.

As you know I'm a southie.

I can understand how fnwa pilots believe that the union has been more inclusive of south guys, same with the company. I have no hard evidence of this beyond "appearances". Changing this dynamic is beyond the scope of my interest because I don't really see how it matters (see paragraph 2).

I also believe the constructive engagement paradigm is faulty in the way it has played out. We keep giving with very very very little taking involved. If rumors of merger become reality, I think all of us are ready to play some hardball rather than nicey nice. The ak scope clause offers both an opportunity and a threat.

Anyway, I'm digressing. We are one group, period.

Certainly do not agree with your take here Carl, and if I have a point about any FNWA element here I would say it. The Other side is simply the dark side, and I can see where that ref could be taken otherwise in light of the issues. Purple, Peastain, Manager guy, all have the same trait, just be plain angry and mean. NWA had Seattle, it was not the base I was bumped out of at the merger, it was LAX AFTER 2 displacements!!!. My stance has always been the same prior to and during and after the merger. These DELTA displacements in regard to policy do not protect anyone. My desire is for a down but not out of a domicile policy to displacements and mergers. Pilots wanting in, have to wait for an opening that their seniority allows. Which is what I am waiting for in Seattle, my number when it happens.

I am surprised after the time we have been here that you would jump to that conclusion, I guess we just have to take a step back and try a bit more understanding and empathy. Which is the very point I was angrily venting about in my response to purple's drivel (no more empathy for that guy).... I apologize for nothing that I said in my post. Your take is not fair given our record here, my mistake was not clarifying the other side and its unintended consequence. Dark side would have been better but do you not agree that may have generated the same response???? Beer is still on me Carl and I am sure we would drink more than one given the chance...

FIIG

Can you describe how your feelings have been hurt?
You strike me as a businessman Carl. This post kinda baffles me.

Have your paychecks bounced? If not, then what's the problem?
That's the only outward nicety that I would care about.