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Old 07-19-2013 | 07:56 AM
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If no one puts an AE in for it, and there are no stated displacements, how will it be filled?
Old 07-19-2013 | 07:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Scoop
Its there. This bid is basically 100 self-displacements. 100 FO positions at the lowest pay-scale. Anyone who bids this is either coming from the 717 already (lateral) or taking a pay-cut.

Oh well, I guess they will eventually have to bid the CAPT seats to match.

Anyone make any sense out of this?


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Not as long as we have payrates that.... oh nevermind.
Old 07-19-2013 | 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by PilotFrog
If no one puts an AE in for it, and there are no stated displacements, how will it be filled?
Carl gets a MD.
Old 07-19-2013 | 08:02 AM
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Originally Posted by PilotFrog
If no one puts an AE in for it, and there are no stated displacements, how will it be filled?
With new hires & recalls
Old 07-19-2013 | 08:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Scoop
Its there. This bid is basically 100 self-displacements. 100 FO positions at the lowest pay-scale. Anyone who bids this is either coming from the 717 already (lateral) or taking a pay-cut.

Oh well, I guess they will eventually have to bid the CAPT seats to match, and maybe some junior FO's can get to where they want to be domiciled.

Anyone make any sense out of this?
My guess is that this is setting up for the coming hiring. The company has to be be able to say they offered the slots to existing pilots before they give them to new hires or Furlough Bypass.
Old 07-19-2013 | 08:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Scoop
Its there. This bid is basically 100 self-displacements. 100 FO positions at the lowest pay-scale. Anyone who bids this is either coming from the 717 already (lateral) or taking a pay-cut.

Oh well, I guess they will eventually have to bid the CAPT seats to match.

Anyone make any sense out of this?


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First the company needs to create a surplus of positions to initiate hiring.

Then, as the Furlough bypassees return, some non-posted displacements will occur, most likely in subsequent AEs


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Old 07-19-2013 | 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by flyallnite
They still have their pensions and medicare kicks in at 65, plus social security. The real reason they stay is the super seniority they have. What other job can you make 60k per year by working 8 days per month (only 5 days 5 of those months) with 5 weeks vacation, paid personal leave, sick time and non rev bennies? Oh, and on those domestic turns, you're in your own bed every night. For passing out cokes and reading people magazine the rest of the time. Stop building them 11 hour day turns and you'd see 3000 of them put in retirement papers the same day.
If that's the case, why wouldn't you?
Old 07-19-2013 | 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Check Essential
Section 21.C.8


A recalled pilot:
a. will return to an entry level position (or by mutual agreement between the pilot and the Company, to a position his seniority would entitle him to hold),
b. may be required to complete training for that position, and
c. will be entitled to bid and be awarded an advance entitlement(s) during training.


I would imagine the returnees will be offered some NYC slots as well as the 717s in ATL and DTW.
Maybe even ATL M88 or 737 if their seniority can hold it. Any place the training is going to occur anyway.
Thanks! You guys are the masters of finding any reg.
Old 07-19-2013 | 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by iaflyer
My guess is that this is setting up for the coming hiring. The company has to be be able to say they offered the slots to existing pilots before they give them to new hires or Furlough Bypass.
That is the right answer.
Technically, they don't "have to" offer these slots to existing pilots but they want to do it to avoid training some guys twice. There might only be 10 or 20 pilots who bid for those 65 DTW 717B slots but they need to identify those guys before they fill the slots with bypass pilots and then have to send them back to school when they bid out.
Old 07-19-2013 | 08:32 AM
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Our intention is to fill the ATL and DTW openings first with
current Delta pilots and we will award the unfilled openings to furlough bypass pilots and new hires.
We began to notify furlough bypass pilots of their recall during the week of July 15, and the first recall
class is scheduled for November 4th.
Does that not answer a lot of these questions?
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