Can anyone tell me when the 1 for 2 duty pay kicks in? Had a trip that ended up with 22+ hours of duty over two days with only 9:28 break in duty in the middle. Does that qualify? From what I read in the contract, it seems it would, but it does not look like my trip credit reflects the extra pay.

Less than 9 hours if you had over 20 hours combined duty.

07-31-2013 | 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by tsquare

I can think of a small technicality. Suppose the number 1 guys went out, and a bottom feeder came in. Then, you got a AE into that category but you had a minimum number on your preferences. IF the number 1 guy were to be allowed to come back in, your preference would NOT have been honored, therefore I would think you would have a case to be able to go back to your other category. Probably not that big a deal, but it would technically violate your preference.

Base swapping would be fine if the two would agree to swap seniority numbers.

07-31-2013 | 09:55 AM

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The layover must be less than 9:01 if the ORIGINALLY SCHEDULED duty days exceed 20 hours or less than 8:15 if less than 20 hours.

07-31-2013 | 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by formerdal

The layover must be less than 9:01 if the ORIGINALLY SCHEDULED duty days exceed 20 hours or less than 8:15 if less than 20 hours.

Thanks for the quick replies, guys!

07-31-2013 | 10:38 AM

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Does one incur a seat lock for changing bases (same equipment) via an AE?

Thanks.

07-31-2013 | 10:53 AM

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Does one incur a seat lock for changing bases (same equipment) via an AE?

Thanks.

Nope.............(filler)

07-31-2013 | 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by AlaskaBound

Open Skies and Skymark

This is an unsettling trend. I'm a regional pilot trying to get to the majors. I have literally been stuck at my carrier as an FO for 6 years without any forward movement whatsoever. I know you guys spend a lot of time working on shrinking the DCI lift and shifting it to mainline flying. In theory that creates mainline jobs and I like the direction you're going. However, I don't see quite the urgency to go after these JVs and codeshare agreements with huge international carriers.

... Do you see any collaborative movement within DALPA to get this under control? With that said, I know the pilots don't run the company and can't tell the company how to run the business. But just as DALPA has been successful, relatively, in bring back domestic flying to mainline, they can also focus on slowing down these agreements.

You must be new to this thread. To answer your question, "yes." Our pilot group is on the leading edge of JV scope management. Basically, our contract requires management to use Delta pilots to fly our share of any new production which might be created via Joint Venture.

I think such broad based language is terrific because we draw a circle around everything (other than permitted exceptions) and state, "that's ours."

If you are interested there is an ALPA Council 44 meeting at the Holiday Inn, Virginia Ave., at 11am tomorrow where the guest speaker is among the foremost experts on JV's anywhere. LEC meetings are usually open to guests. You're welcome to pull up a chair, munch on a cookie and learn something.

If you are "Alaska Bound," have you read their scope language with regard to "Alaska Air Group." They failed to bind their holding company to anything other than their current and ordered 737 fleet. In other words, they drew their circle really small, just around a fleet specific operation. Our Circle is any flying by Delta, or for Delta.

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07-31-2013 | 11:29 AM

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07-31-2013 | 11:49 AM

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Really? Do you read this thread, much?

IMHO our pilot group is on the leading edge of JV scope management. We have Joint Venture protections in our PWA which force the Company to balance any new production with Delta pilots.

If you are "Alaska Bound," have you read their scope language with regard to "Alaska Air Group." They failed to bind their holding company to anything other than their current and ordered 737 fleet.

I don't read this message board every day but what I do see is the day to day ops out on the line. I see Air France bringing in an A340 in to Minneapolis now. I just wish I saw a Delta A330 instead doing 2 flights a day out of MSP-CDG. I wish I saw Delta B767-400 doing JFK-LHR instead of Virgin. The list goes on and on. It's just an observation...nothing else. I don't mean to hit a sensitive spot with you guys I just wanted to see what was going on on that front.

Thanks for the info on the scope you guys have in your contract. I don't have access to your full contract so I'm not sure of details.

I don't really have time to read all 136,370 pages of posts. I hope you guys can continue to recapture the WB flying now that you've seemed to get a grip on the regional outsourcing.

No I'm not Alaska Airlines bound. Not what my username implies.