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Old 07-15-2013 | 03:06 PM
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This just in:



Putin begins 717 OE...

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Old 07-15-2013 | 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Elvis90
11,000 total, 6,000 qualified, if it's anything like last time.
So your sayin' there's a chance.........
Old 07-15-2013 | 03:25 PM
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Just a little juicy rumor to add to the pile.....

In addition to the originally planned mix wide body/narrow body order Delta is planning on announcing soon. We will be adding one additional 777 airframe to the mix. Apparently Asiana was looking to dump one that recently landed in SFO and Delta stepped in with an offer.
Too soon?
Old 07-15-2013 | 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
So what's the over/under on the number of applications DAL gets for 300 positions?
Don't think returning furloughees have to submit an application.
Old 07-15-2013 | 03:40 PM
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I Posted this on another forum but hope to gain some good insight from this thread!



It appears that DAL will begin to interview in Q4 2013 or Q1 2014 I’m looking for NEW information about the hiring process. I’ve reviewed the old “Will Fly for Food” (WFFF) and APC info but does anyone have insight into what the new process may be?

Specifically:

Cognitive Test:

Will the cognitive tests be the same and is Luminosity.com the still a good way to prepare? Are there other web sites or even smart phone applications that are good?

Technical Test:

For the Technical Review Exam is the ATP test prep still a good way to study? The previous Pilot Job Knowledge Test Outline centers on four areas: Aerodynamics, Engineering, Air Navigation and Metrology. Will these be the areas of concentration for the next cycle or could it change?

Who has the best coaching/preparation for the interview? I understand that Adam Hughes is highly recommended; are there others?

Interview:

The WFFF interview narratives seem to focus on logbook review, personal history, “tell about a time” type questions and possible “what if conflict” scenarios. Most of the conflict scenarios center on three possibilities.

1. Captain operates outside of standards or procedures.
2. Captain pushes safety envelope. (i.e. proceeds below MDA to get in, or pushes fuel requirements to make commute.)
3. Incidents were CA for FAs smell of alcohol or appear drunk

It’s obvious what I would do in each in real life but I’m wonder what the “School House” solution is.

Also “what is your leadership style” questions are asked and what are the interviews looking for?

Has anyone have any input into the best interview prep?

Personal:

And for me personally; I’m getting to the age where my eyesight is still 20/20 but I’m becoming near sighted. I’ve can get by without “cheaters” (cheap magnifying eye glasses) but it’s far easier to use them when reading small print. I’ve been to eye doctors and they say I’m still 20/20: will using “cheaters” be an issue during the interview?

(Silly I know but you only get one shot at this and best to be prepared.)

I’m also getting older (47): will this be an issue for getting an interview?

I hope we can keep this a useful dialog (i.e. “on topic”) on the interview process and pass along the best practices that have gotten guys the job!

Thanks in advance!

MARTY!!
Old 07-15-2013 | 03:44 PM
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Old 07-15-2013 | 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Martin404
I Posted this on another forum but hope to gain some good insight from this thread!



It appears that DAL will begin to interview in Q4 2013 or Q1 2014 I’m looking for NEW information about the hiring process. I’ve reviewed the old “Will Fly for Food” (WFFF) and APC info but does anyone have insight into what the new process may be?

Specifically:

Cognitive Test:

Will the cognitive tests be the same and is Luminosity.com the still a good way to prepare? Are there other web sites or even smart phone applications that are good?

Technical Test:

For the Technical Review Exam is the ATP test prep still a good way to study? The previous Pilot Job Knowledge Test Outline centers on four areas: Aerodynamics, Engineering, Air Navigation and Metrology. Will these be the areas of concentration for the next cycle or could it change?

Who has the best coaching/preparation for the interview? I understand that Adam Hughes is highly recommended; are there others?

Interview:

The WFFF interview narratives seem to focus on logbook review, personal history, “tell about a time” type questions and possible “what if conflict” scenarios. Most of the conflict scenarios center on three possibilities.

1. Captain operates outside of standards or procedures.
2. Captain pushes safety envelope. (i.e. proceeds below MDA to get in, or pushes fuel requirements to make commute.)
3. Incidents were CA for FAs smell of alcohol or appear drunk

It’s obvious what I would do in each in real life but I’m wonder what the “School House” solution is.

Also “what is your leadership style” questions are asked and what are the interviews looking for?

Has anyone have any input into the best interview prep?

Personal:

And for me personally; I’m getting to the age where my eyesight is still 20/20 but I’m becoming near sighted. I’ve can get by without “cheaters” (cheap magnifying eye glasses) but it’s far easier to use them when reading small print. I’ve been to eye doctors and they say I’m still 20/20: will using “cheaters” be an issue during the interview?

(Silly I know but you only get one shot at this and best to be prepared.)

I’m also getting older (47): will this be an issue for getting an interview?

I hope we can keep this a useful dialog (i.e. “on topic”) on the interview process and pass along the best practices that have gotten guys the job!

Thanks in advance!

MARTY!!
Marty,

Give A.H. a call at Emerald Coast Interviewing.......best money you can spend...Job wise !

Best of luck,
BG
Old 07-15-2013 | 04:02 PM
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Good luck to you Marty! I don't have current info for you, was hired over a decade ago, but it's a breath of fresh air to see your questions here. Only input I have for you is that if you need to wear reading glasses, then you are "far sighted". Your far sight is good, you have bad near vision. Most folks I fly with wear cheaters. Not sure what that means for hiring though.
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Marty,

Give A.H. a call at Emerald Coast Interviewing.......best money you can spend...Job wise !

Best of luck,
BG
Went through Judy Tarver myself FAPA.aero | Future & Active Pilot Advisors Had a similar experience. Well worth the money.
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Originally Posted by Martin404
I Posted this on another forum but hope to gain some good insight from this thread!



It appears that DAL will begin to interview in Q4 2013 or Q1 2014 I’m looking for NEW information about the hiring process. I’ve reviewed the old “Will Fly for Food” (WFFF) and APC info but does anyone have insight into what the new process may be?

Specifically:

Cognitive Test:

Will the cognitive tests be the same and is Luminosity.com the still a good way to prepare? Are there other web sites or even smart phone applications that are good?

Technical Test:

For the Technical Review Exam is the ATP test prep still a good way to study? The previous Pilot Job Knowledge Test Outline centers on four areas: Aerodynamics, Engineering, Air Navigation and Metrology. Will these be the areas of concentration for the next cycle or could it change?

Who has the best coaching/preparation for the interview? I understand that Adam Hughes is highly recommended; are there others?

Interview:

The WFFF interview narratives seem to focus on logbook review, personal history, “tell about a time” type questions and possible “what if conflict” scenarios. Most of the conflict scenarios center on three possibilities.

1. Captain operates outside of standards or procedures.
2. Captain pushes safety envelope. (i.e. proceeds below MDA to get in, or pushes fuel requirements to make commute.)
3. Incidents were CA for FAs smell of alcohol or appear drunk

It’s obvious what I would do in each in real life but I’m wonder what the “School House” solution is.

Also “what is your leadership style” questions are asked and what are the interviews looking for?

Has anyone have any input into the best interview prep?

Personal:

And for me personally; I’m getting to the age where my eyesight is still 20/20 but I’m becoming near sighted. I’ve can get by without “cheaters” (cheap magnifying eye glasses) but it’s far easier to use them when reading small print. I’ve been to eye doctors and they say I’m still 20/20: will using “cheaters” be an issue during the interview?

(Silly I know but you only get one shot at this and best to be prepared.)

I’m also getting older (47): will this be an issue for getting an interview?

I hope we can keep this a useful dialog (i.e. “on topic”) on the interview process and pass along the best practices that have gotten guys the job!

Thanks in advance!

MARTY!!
That sounds just like what I went through in 2007!

I've heard of the lumosity cog stuff- I'm sure messing around with that won't hurt. The cog test is basically they flash a sequence of up to 6 numbers on the screen and you input them in backwards once it's done, then a thing with a dude holding a flag and you tell what hand it's in (iirc), symbols corresponding to numbers, and the final thing is balancing a teeter totter with one hand and inputting in not the number that's on the screen but the previous number that was on the screen. Seems like there were a couple other sections, but that's about it. It hasn't changed to my knowledge. Accuracy and speed are graded. I went as fast as I could but went for precision. I passed, so apparently I was doing something right.

The technical test is basically a glorified ATP and commercial written with some other mental math. WFFF had the best gouge.

The personality profile is 240 questions in a rather ridiculous short amount of time. The only guy to not get offered the job my day was a guy that did not finish it. Be decisive and move on.

The face to face was exactly as you described it. I did no professional prep. I studied the 2000-2001 DL gouges (I was in the first round to go through in 07 so there was no current gouge) and, for face to face prep, I wrote down a variety of stories and events that exhibited my decision making ability, command/leadership ability, customer service, as well as other landmarks in my life and career. That way I wasn't prepping for specific questions, but to be a well rounded and well spoken interview subject. I found that writing those down helped solidify my recollection ability in an interview setting.

Best of luck!
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