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Old 01-07-2014 | 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Scoop
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To the best of my knowledge "promptly available" basically means you have around two hours to report.

Note: I don't think the 2 hour limit is actually written in the contract - it might be written in "When Scheduling Calls" or possibly "When Steve Dickson Commands" I am not really sure.


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I think that is fairly accurate....don't have it handy but I believe you are correct that it is covered in "when scheduling calls".....2 hours is the generally accepted guideline (intentionally not delineated in the PWA)...with the proviso that some cities (e.g. New York) have their own unique report time constraints.
Old 01-07-2014 | 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Seaslap8
No, it is not, I think its counterproductive to the cause to use terms like "PWA abrogation" when it is clearly not.
I stand corrected. I agree, the term "abrogation" should only be used when applicable, and it's not in this case.
Old 01-07-2014 | 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by 76drvr
Have you called in well yet? I had the same issue and I was told that they don't verify the hours until you call in well since they don't know how many hours need to be verified until that time. I called in well and the next day the hours in question were listed as verified.
Yep, sent the form in and called in well yesterday.
Old 01-07-2014 | 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Scoop
Ralphie,


S/C acknowledgement is basically the same as long call acknowledgment because you are on long call first and then assigned short call. Once on short call here is the verbiage from the contract"


13 9. A short call pilot:
14 a. will remain on short call for a period that:
15 1) is designated by Crew Scheduling, and
16 2) does not exceed:
17 a) 12 hours in domestic categories, or
18 b) 24 hours in international categories.
19 Note: An international category pilot who has been on short call for 12 hours will
20 not be assigned a domestic rotation with a scheduled report earlier than nine hours
21 after notification.
22 b. must be promptly available for contact by Crew Scheduling during his short call
23 period until the earlier of:
24 1) the end of the short call period, or
25 2) his departure to report for an awarded/assigned rotation.
26 Exception: A pilot will not be required to be available for contact during the first two
27 hours of his short call period as follows:
28 a) At the time the pilot is notified of his conversion to short call, the pilot will
29 advise Crew Scheduling that he will be:
30 i. traveling to his base, and
31 ii. unavailable for contact during the first two hours of the short call.
32 b) The pilot must be able to report for a rotation with a report as early as two hours
33 after the start of the short call period.
34 c) When the pilot arrives at his base, he assumes responsibility for acknowledging
35 any rotation placed on his line by checking his schedule via DBMS or
36 contacting Crew Scheduling.
37 d) When the pilot checks his schedule, his line may contain a rotation with a report
38 as early as two hours from the start of the short call period.


To the best of my knowledge "promptly available" basically means you have around two hours to report.

Note: I don't think the 2 hour limit is actually written in the contract - it might be written in "When Scheduling Calls" or possibly "When Steve Dickson Commands" I am not really sure.


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He was asking when you have to acknowledge that you have been assigned a SC period.
Old 01-07-2014 | 05:21 PM
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Another break in the action.....just an observation. The football played this last weekend was the best ever. My team lost but every game was frikkin outstanding, including last night's BCS championship.

Carry on.
Old 01-07-2014 | 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by boog123
Lets say a pilot calls in sick for a 8 day rotation the has a bit of credit built in. The last day shows 20 hours of credit on time card. If the pilot picks up a 20 hour, 4 day trip that leaves the last day of the sick call, would 20 hours go to repay the sick bank, or just the 5:15 from the first day of the 4 day?
The general rule is that the total amount of the second trip, up to the amount of sick pay from the first trip after you call in well, goes to paying back the sick bank. Since you would have had to call in well prior to the last day of the 8-day trip in order to fly on that last day, all 20 hours of the second trip would go into the sick bank.
Old 01-07-2014 | 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Flamer
He was asking when you have to acknowledge that you have been assigned a SC period.


Flamer,

Correct. I think I answered that with my first sentence. I then also added some additional information about the actual short call response.


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Old 01-07-2014 | 07:28 PM
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You don't need to acknowledge a short call until one hour to the start of the short call.

6. A long call pilot who is assigned a rotation or converted to short call:
a. prior to release from a rotation, must acknowledge such assignment or conversion prior to release.
b. via telephone contact or electronic placement on his schedule on his last non-fly day (other than a vacation day) before an on-call day, must acknowledge such assignment or conversion no later than:
1) three hours before the scheduled report of the rotation, or
2) one hour before the scheduled start of the short call period.

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Old 01-07-2014 | 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Ralphie
What does the current PWA say with regards to SC acknowledgement? I'm familiar with the 3 hours regarding a LC trip assignment, but never knew there was one for short call too.
Keep in mind that the pwa and far pt 117 don't agree. Far 117 says you need to acknowledge 10 hrs prior in order to get your prospective rest.

Just an FYI.
Old 01-07-2014 | 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by 1234
Keep in mind that the pwa and far pt 117 don't agree. Far 117 says you need to acknowledge 10 hrs prior in order to get your prospective rest.

Just an FYI.
True. But, if you acknowledge inside the 10 hours, you are not really breaking an FAR - as long as you don't actually fly! However, if the company tries to ding you for not acknowledging prior to 10 hours, they ARE violating the contract. (As long as you met the 3 hour requirement, of course)
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