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Old 01-07-2014 | 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by buzzpat
Hey guys, brief break in the 117 discussion.

I sent in my sick leave verification form all filled out and signed by my doc but my sick leave account still shows "unverified." Does it take awhile for them to process the forms? And, if not, who should I talk to?

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Had to e-mail them twice for mine to be recognized for whatever reason. That said, no questions asked, prescriptions made by a PA not MD.
Old 01-07-2014 | 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Purple Drank
Another PWA abrogation. It's been happening a lot lately. The run times are very clearly spelled out in the contract.
Hmmm, I don't have my PWA in front of me, but I believe it states the deadline for PCS submissions is 0700, 1200, 1700 & 2200. I don't think it says anything about when the company must publish them.

Should that be fixed? Yes. Is it an abrogation of the current PWA? No.

Found PWA. It has been rewritten and it used to say what I said above, but now it states the run time will be No earlier than 0700E,1200E, 1700E, and 2200E


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Old 01-07-2014 | 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Flamer
Maybe the guys being assigned SC are doing what dash8widget said a few days ago and acknowledging the SC late. Then they are unusable for SC? Leverage generator.
What does the current PWA say with regards to SC acknowledgement? I'm familiar with the 3 hours regarding a LC trip assignment, but never knew there was one for short call too.
Old 01-07-2014 | 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Dash8widget
Don't forget that a pilot will be required to have 10 hours of acknowledged rest prior to starting short call as well. The PWA says that you do not have to acknowledge a short call conversion until one hour prior to starting the short call period. Sooooo, if you follow the PWA and aknowledge one hour prior, you would not be able to start a trip until 9 hours after starting the SC period! But that's not really true either because: you can't even start the SC period until you have the required acknowledged rest, and again, you don't have to acknowledge an assignment to SC until an hour prior, which then makes you illegal to start the period as assigned, which means scheduling would have to change your SC start time, and you would not have to acknowledge said change until one hour to starting your new SC period, which puts you into a logic loop that could keep you from ever actually being on SC.
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Old 01-07-2014 | 03:03 PM
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Lets say a pilot calls in sick for a 8 day rotation the has a bit of credit built in. The last day shows 20 hours of credit on time card. If the pilot picks up a 20 hour, 4 day trip that leaves the last day of the sick call, would 20 hours go to repay the sick bank, or just the 5:15 from the first day of the 4 day?
Old 01-07-2014 | 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Purple Drank
Another PWA abrogation. It's been happening a lot lately. The run times are very clearly spelled out in the contract.
No, it is not, I think its counterproductive to the cause to use terms like "PWA abrogation" when it is clearly not.
Old 01-07-2014 | 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Ralphie
What does the current PWA say with regards to SC acknowledgement? I'm familiar with the 3 hours regarding a LC trip assignment, but never knew there was one for short call too.



Ralphie,


S/C acknowledgement is basically the same as long call acknowledgment because you are on long call first and then assigned short call. Once on short call here is the verbiage from the contract"


13 9. A short call pilot:
14 a. will remain on short call for a period that:
15 1) is designated by Crew Scheduling, and
16 2) does not exceed:
17 a) 12 hours in domestic categories, or
18 b) 24 hours in international categories.
19 Note: An international category pilot who has been on short call for 12 hours will
20 not be assigned a domestic rotation with a scheduled report earlier than nine hours
21 after notification.
22 b. must be promptly available for contact by Crew Scheduling during his short call
23 period until the earlier of:
24 1) the end of the short call period, or
25 2) his departure to report for an awarded/assigned rotation.
26 Exception: A pilot will not be required to be available for contact during the first two
27 hours of his short call period as follows:
28 a) At the time the pilot is notified of his conversion to short call, the pilot will
29 advise Crew Scheduling that he will be:
30 i. traveling to his base, and
31 ii. unavailable for contact during the first two hours of the short call.
32 b) The pilot must be able to report for a rotation with a report as early as two hours
33 after the start of the short call period.
34 c) When the pilot arrives at his base, he assumes responsibility for acknowledging
35 any rotation placed on his line by checking his schedule via DBMS or
36 contacting Crew Scheduling.
37 d) When the pilot checks his schedule, his line may contain a rotation with a report
38 as early as two hours from the start of the short call period.


To the best of my knowledge "promptly available" basically means you have around two hours to report.

Note: I don't think the 2 hour limit is actually written in the contract - it might be written in "When Scheduling Calls" or possibly "When Steve Dickson Commands" I am not really sure.


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Old 01-07-2014 | 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by boog123
Lets say a pilot calls in sick for a 8 day rotation the has a bit of credit built in. The last day shows 20 hours of credit on time card. If the pilot picks up a 20 hour, 4 day trip that leaves the last day of the sick call, would 20 hours go to repay the sick bank, or just the 5:15 from the first day of the 4 day?
you will not lose pay. Only the credit, or time for the day you fly, will repay the bank.
Old 01-07-2014 | 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
you will not lose pay. Only the credit, or time for the day you fly, will repay the bank.
Thanks for the reply
Old 01-07-2014 | 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by buzzpat
Hey guys, brief break in the 117 discussion.

I sent in my sick leave verification form all filled out and signed by my doc but my sick leave account still shows "unverified." Does it take awhile for them to process the forms? And, if not, who should I talk to?

Thanks!
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Have you called in well yet? I had the same issue and I was told that they don't verify the hours until you call in well since they don't know how many hours need to be verified until that time. I called in well and the next day the hours in question were listed as verified.
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