Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
01-07-2014 | 08:36 AM
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Maybe but in this case the issues at hand are specifically reserve pilot issues. I'm not saying regular contract negotiations should be centered around reserve pilots QOL above all else, but this issue absolutely should because its reserve issues that are the vast majority of all of this. The company needs concessions otherwise reserve as they know it will basically cease to exist. What needs to come out the other end of this process are reserve QOL improvements to balance out whatever we end up agreeing to, not mining the issue to divert candy to other empires.
01-07-2014 | 08:38 AM
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Maybe but in this case the issues at hand are specifically reserve pilot issues. I'm not saying regular contract negotiations should be centered around reserve pilots QOL above all else, but this issue absolutely should because its reserve issues that are the vast majority of all of this. The company needs concessions otherwise reserve as they know it will basically cease to exist. What needs to come out the other end of this process are reserve QOL improvements, not mining the issue to divert candy to other empires.
01-07-2014 | 08:58 AM
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OK great, but what are we asking for WRT long call reserve leash times? Cause 2 hours ain't gonna work. As it stands now LC is 19 hours, plus we still have the contractual 3 hours prior acknowledgement obligation and nothing more. Assuming we agree to provide relief for that, what will the LC leash end up being? What will the earliest SC a pilot can get on day one end up being after all this? Will we have any "mandatory schedule checks" on a day off like before? Until all that is fixed, there should be no piggy bank approach for a company wide payoff especially when its the reserve pilots that are doing all the work on the front lines with this mess.
Reserve pilots are the group that is bringing the company to the negotiating table, but 117 is a gigantic QOL hit for lineholders too.
(I know tiniest fiddle playing for me) In my category, almost every trip was worth 8+ hours per 24hrs away from base. It is now about 6. That's a pretty significant QOL hit. I am sure in other categories they are affected in a similar way.
What any of this has to do with a pilot who couldn't do a stall recovery is beyond me.
01-07-2014 | 09:13 AM
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My experience so far with FAR 117:
Rerouted into a "Golden Day" tommorrow to give me 8 straight days of work.
First time I had a day scheduled for over 8 hours, had to have a turn removed to stay legal after overfly on first leg. Was still 12+ duty day just turned in to a 6 hour sit.
But boy do I feel rested...
Rerouted into a "Golden Day" tommorrow to give me 8 straight days of work.
First time I had a day scheduled for over 8 hours, had to have a turn removed to stay legal after overfly on first leg. Was still 12+ duty day just turned in to a 6 hour sit.
But boy do I feel rested...
01-07-2014 | 09:15 AM
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I disagree with that as a simple characterization.
Reserve pilots are the group that is bringing the company to the negotiating table, but 117 is a gigantic QOL hit for lineholders too.
(I know tiniest fiddle playing for me) In my category, almost every trip was worth 8+ hours per 24hrs away from base. It is now about 6. That's a pretty significant QOL hit. I am sure in other categories they are affected in a similar way.
What any of this has to do with a pilot who couldn't do a stall recovery is beyond me.
Reserve pilots are the group that is bringing the company to the negotiating table, but 117 is a gigantic QOL hit for lineholders too.
(I know tiniest fiddle playing for me) In my category, almost every trip was worth 8+ hours per 24hrs away from base. It is now about 6. That's a pretty significant QOL hit. I am sure in other categories they are affected in a similar way.
What any of this has to do with a pilot who couldn't do a stall recovery is beyond me.
I watched the 117 video on Deltanet last night and it seems that the 777 fleet is going to be a test group for Delta for different rules. Do you know anything about that, Scambo?
01-07-2014 | 09:20 AM
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30 hours rest before shortcall? You cant back to back them now.
You get to theatre, but then need 2 days rest before flying intra-theatre. However, you can fly over and back with a 24 hour rest period. Who comes up with this crap?
We have the best rest facility at the airline. I get home from a trip and I'm ready to tile a bathroom. These new rules make it seem like we have guys falling asleep in the airport.
01-07-2014 | 09:20 AM
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Better to be lucky than good.
PS: I now see that everyone seems to have figured it out.
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01-07-2014 | 09:21 AM
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Details include:
– FDP limit of 20.5 hours (extendable to 22.5 with PIC concurrence)
– Eliminated the flight time limit
– Requires additional pre duty planned/minimum rest:
– Requires a minimum of 56 hours rest upon return to base, which must include three physiological nights
– Can only be used for 4-pilot operations on the 777
01-07-2014 | 09:27 AM
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Maybe but in this case the issues at hand are specifically reserve pilot issues. I'm not saying regular contract negotiations should be centered around reserve pilots QOL above all else, but this issue absolutely should because its reserve issues that are the vast majority of all of this. The company needs concessions otherwise reserve as they know it will basically cease to exist. What needs to come out the other end of this process are reserve QOL improvements to balance out whatever we end up agreeing to, not mining the issue to divert candy to other empires.
Other empires? We all work for the same Death Star... I hope they don't completely pickle reserve QOL, but there are many issues that need addressing...
01-07-2014 | 09:31 AM
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Does anyone know what's going on with scheds that they are not putting anyone on shortcall? MSP88B has a bunch of pilots on LC but nobody has been given shortcall for a couple of days, all short-notice trips are going to GS's. Which is GREAT, don't get me wrong, but can I count on it continuing? Did they realize SC is in conflict with 117 or something?
From what I'm seeing, my best guess is that they are figuring that for now, until they figure out how 117 is really going to play out, on good weather days, it's best to sparingly assign and use SC pilots and just give out greens slips -- at least more than they used to.
Who is going to turn down a GS on a great sunny day, as opposed to having to fight to get to it through the snow and cold and overbooked flight?
That way they can save more SC's for bad weather days.
Just a guess. But, I think it means they are short and really worried about 117 and the summer.
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