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Old 01-07-2014 | 07:44 AM
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Originally Posted by NERD
My guess is a change to our PWA to fit the new FARs with nothing in return. Cost neutral is their addiction we have enabled them for years. Wouldn't surprise me if they proposed to change our PWA to fit their needs with a 1% reduction in DC money and another cut of our profit sharing to pay for all the money it cost them to bother to negotiate.
That might be the spark for a Hutu uprising amongst the pilots.
Old 01-07-2014 | 07:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Delta1067
OBWS fall after in base long call pilots. OBWS goes ahead of in base short call pilots.
Remember that the RUO is different depending on whether there is 12+ hours to report or less than 12 hours to report.

Your statement applies only if there is less than 12 hours to report. If there is more than 12 hours to report it would be:

1)Recovery slips
2)WS
3)LC
4)SC
5)LC YS interrupting X days
6)OBWS

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Old 01-07-2014 | 07:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Delta1067
OBWS fall after in base long call pilots. OBWS goes ahead of in base short call pilots.
Wrong. OOB White slips go after ALL reserves.
Old 01-07-2014 | 07:47 AM
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Does anyone know what's going on with scheds that they are not putting anyone on shortcall? MSP88B has a bunch of pilots on LC but nobody has been given shortcall for a couple of days, all short-notice trips are going to GS's. Which is GREAT, don't get me wrong, but can I count on it continuing? Did they realize SC is in conflict with 117 or something?
Old 01-07-2014 | 07:54 AM
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Originally Posted by A6danimal
Does anyone know what's going on with scheds that they are not putting anyone on shortcall? MSP88B has a bunch of pilots on LC but nobody has been given shortcall for a couple of days, all short-notice trips are going to GS's. Which is GREAT, don't get me wrong, but can I count on it continuing? Did they realize SC is in conflict with 117 or something?
They have done it for 2 days now in SLC as well. All trips under 12 hours are going to GS's and WS's while they have guys on LC that they didn't assign SC.
Old 01-07-2014 | 07:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Widget Idjet
Link to a King Air 200 crash video that brought back memories of the B-52 knife edge crash a few years ago.

LiveLeak.com - Plane crashes into dragstrip at Akureyri, Iceland August 5 2013
The Co survived with minor injuries! WOW.
Old 01-07-2014 | 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by dalad
Wrong. OOB White slips go after ALL reserves.
Not if the report is less than 12 hours from notification.

Check Sec 23.O

1. Pilots who have submitted recovery slips under Section 23 J. (by proffer, in category, in 15 seniority order) or who are subject to recovery flying under Section 23 K. 1.
Note: A pilot whose original rotation was not a MED rotation will not be assigned recovery flying to a MED less than 24 hours prior to report time of the MED rotation without his consent.

2. Regular pilots who have submitted white slips (by proffer, in category, in seniority order) Exception: A local council officer who drops a rotation to conduct a monthly council meeting will be given first priority to white slip open time during that bid period in order to recover such dropped rotations. (see Section 24 J. 8.)

3. Long call reserve pilots who have submitted yellow slips (provided FAR reserve rest requirements have been met, in category, within RUO)

4. Out-of-base regular pilots who have submitted white slips (by proffer, in seniority order)

5. Short call reserve pilots (in category, within RUO)

6. Out-of-base long call reserve pilots who have submitted yellow slips (provided FAR reserve rest requirements have been met, by base, within RUO)

7. Out-of-base short call reserve pilots (by base, within RUO)
Old 01-07-2014 | 08:00 AM
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Originally Posted by dalad
Wrong. OOB White slips go after ALL reserves.
No they don't. I get called for them often with < 12 hours to report and if I turn down the profer then they are usually assigned to an in base SC pilot. OBWS goes ahead of a SC reserve pilot all day and twice on Sunday.

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Old 01-07-2014 | 08:06 AM
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Originally Posted by dalad
Wrong. OOB White slips go after ALL reserves.

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Old 01-07-2014 | 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Delta1067
No they don't. I get called for them often with < 12 hours to report and if I turn down the profer then they are usually assigned to an in base SC pilot. OBWS goes ahead of a SC reserve pilot all day and twice on Sunday.
Correct, see line 4.

Open Time Award/Assignment Sequence for Rotations Reporting Less Than 12 Hours After 12 Initial Attempt to Contact Pilot (Short Notice Ladder) 13 14 1.
Pilots who have submitted recovery slips under Section 23 J. (by proffer, in category, in 15 seniority order) or who are subject to recovery flying under Section 23 K. 1. 16 Note: A pilot whose original rotation was not a MED rotation will not be assigned 17 recovery flying to a MED less than 24 hours prior to report time of the MED rotation 18 without his consent. 19
2. Regular pilots who have submitted white slips (by proffer, in category, in seniority order) 20 Exception: A local council officer who drops a rotation to conduct a monthly council 21 meeting will be given first priority to white slip open time during that bid period in order 22 to recover such dropped rotations. (see Section 24 J. 8.) 23
3. Long call reserve pilots who have submitted yellow slips (provided FAR reserve rest 24 requirements have been met, in category, within RUO) 25
4. Out-of-base regular pilots who have submitted white slips (by proffer, in seniority order) 26
5. Short call reserve pilots (in category, within RUO) 27
6. Out-of-base long call reserve pilots who have submitted yellow slips (provided FAR 28 reserve rest requirements have been met, by base, within RUO) 29
7. Out-of-base short call reserve pilots (by base, within RUO) 30
8. Short call reserve pilots for whom the assignment would extend into their regular line 31 day(s)-off (in category, within least intrusion groupings, by RAW value) 32
9. Out-of base short call reserve pilots for whom the assignment would extend into their 33 regular line day(s)-off (in category, within least disruption groupings, by RAW value) 34
10. Short call reserve pilots for whom the assignment would create a conflict with their 35 regular line rotation(s) (in category, within least disruption groupings, by RAW value) 36
11. Out-of base short call reserve pilots for whom the assignment would create a conflict 37 with their regular line rotation(s) (in category, within least disruption groupings, by RAW 38 value) 39
12. Pilots (including long call reserve pilots whose rotation would report within 12 hours of 40 initial attempt to contact)who have submitted GSs (in category, in seniority order) 41
13. Instructors who have submitted GSs under Section 11 C. 1. c. 2) (in seniority order) 42 Note: Instructors who can hold First Officer, but cannot hold Captain, on the aircraft 43 model on which they instruct, will be afforded priority over instructors who can hold 44 Captain on such aircraft model, for the purpose of GS awards for flying as F
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