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Old 01-07-2014 | 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by scambo1
I disagree with that as a simple characterization.

Reserve pilots are the group that is bringing the company to the negotiating table, but 117 is a gigantic QOL hit for lineholders too.

(I know tiniest fiddle playing for me) In my category, almost every trip was worth 8+ hours per 24hrs away from base. It is now about 6. That's a pretty significant QOL hit. I am sure in other categories they are affected in a similar way.

What any of this has to do with a pilot who couldn't do a stall recovery is beyond me.
Ah but reserve pilots take a double hit then, because after absorbing the front line assault of contractual abrogation by memo, they then get to enjoy the same degredated trips as well. I'm just saying that the fulcrum here is reserve notification and leash issues, and the fix needs to address that first and foremost. If we can pile on for other things, great, but we can't use this as a source to "fund" anything else unless the issues causing it are fixed first.
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Originally Posted by flyallnite
Other empires? We all work for the same Death Star... I hope they don't completely pickle reserve QOL, but there are many issues that need addressing...
Of course there are many issues that need addressing. But this particular issue needs to first and foremost stop the insanity of a 2 hour leash by memo. We can't end up with reserve QOL less than is already was before and then act like we have capital to throw at other situations. Fix the reserve issues that this has caused first, and then we can talk about any leftover capital to spend elsewhere.

Long call is now 19 hours and nothing on day one before noon. The only problem is we have to lose pay, grieve it and be hassled with carpet dances for standing up for our own contract. I worry we could end up compromising on this in a way that reduces QOL for reserve and throws money elsewhere, perhaps in ways completely unrelated to 117. We can't expect reserves to throw themselves into the grievance machine only later to find out they were fighting for double pay trip parking buddy bid touch drop scams for an elite few.

Likewise, if the company tries to play games with long haul rest facilities, domestic narrowbody pilots shouldn't expect a payday from that either. Reserve issues need to address reserve issues, rest facility issues need to benefit that, etc.
Old 01-07-2014 | 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Check Essential
You weren't sick enough. You are under investigation.
Flight Ops has their top guy on it.

Now turn your head and cough.

LMAO.

I'm also still waiting for my hall pass so I can go to the bathroom.
Old 01-07-2014 | 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Ed Harley
I'm sure I'm late to the game on this, but I thought we didn't have to verify our sick time until we were over 100 hrs and or 10 days? Is this something new or are you over 100 hrs sick?
No, a) just checking out the system and, b) trying to not reach 100 hours of unverified. I had a minor surgical thing done to my arm and I wanted to see how my doc/Delta would process the silly thing.
Old 01-07-2014 | 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by buzzpat
No, a) just checking out the system and, b) trying to not reach 100 hours of unverified. I had a minor surgical thing done to my arm and I wanted to see how my doc/Delta would process the silly thing.
"Tis but a scratch."
Old 01-07-2014 | 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by buzzpat
No, a) just checking out the system and, b) trying to not reach 100 hours of unverified. I had a minor surgical thing done to my arm and I wanted to see how my doc/Delta would process the silly thing.
I did the same thing last time I was sick just to see how the system worked. It took a few days after I called in well to see it as verified in I-crew.
Old 01-07-2014 | 01:53 PM
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Any idea why the PCS runs are late (as in hours behind schedule?) I was under the impression the process was completely automated, so why would 117/weather issues ..... ah, I answered my own question. I'm guessing they're manually verifying all swaps/awards against 117.
Old 01-07-2014 | 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
Any idea why the PCS runs are late (as in hours behind schedule?) I was under the impression the process was completely automated, so why would 117/weather issues ..... ah, I answered my own question. I'm guessing they're manually verifying all swaps/awards against 117.
The PCS runs are automated but it takes a schedulers input to get the process started.
Old 01-07-2014 | 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
Any idea why the PCS runs are late (as in hours behind schedule?) I was under the impression the process was completely automated, so why would 117/weather issues ..... ah, I answered my own question. I'm guessing they're manually verifying all swaps/awards against 117.
Another PWA abrogation. It's been happening a lot lately. The run times are very clearly spelled out in the contract.
Old 01-07-2014 | 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by 8 Cherry Garcia
FRMS is only for the 4 man 777 flights.
Source that it is all 777 four-pilot flying? Like I said earlier, I thought it was applied only to 17+ hour flights, but I could be wrong.

Attention 777 Pilots! FAR Part 117 Update – FRMS approved: The company applied for and received approval of an FRMS which results in an alternate method of compliance with the FARs for certain four-pilot 777 flying beginning in January.
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