Originally Posted by gloopy

Originally Posted by Dash8widget

This was mentioned a few pages back so I took another look at 117.25 (b):
Before beginning any reserve or flight duty period a flightcrew member must be given at least 30 consecutive hours free from all duty in any 168 consecutive hour period.

The 30 in 168 needs to be met BEFORE starting a FDP. It is not a look back at the end of the trip. So I need to amend my hypothetical trip -

Day 1: report 1900, 5 hour FDP, 14 hour layover
Day 2: 10 hour FDP, 14 hour layover
Day 3: 10 hour FDP, 14 hour layover
Day 4: 10 hour FDP, 14 hour layover
Day 5: 10 hour FDP, 14 hour layover
Day 6: 10 hour FDP, 13 hour layover
Day 7: 5 hour FDP. Block in at 1800

When you report for the day 7 flying at 1300 you still have had 30 hours off in the previous 168. At block in on day 7 you will not have had 30 hours of rest in the previous 168 but that's ok since you had met the required rest PRIOR to starting the day 7 FD
This might be the answer to Monkeys question - as long as he had 30 off in 168 PRIOR to REPORTING for his last FDP he should be legal.

- Leine beat me to it

Originally Posted by Flying Monkey

But is it 30 cumulative Hours or consecutive. If I look back at the end of that rotation and add 30 rest consecutive rest period, its 177 hours....over the 168. I know I must be making this more complicated than it is. Missing something.

Originally Posted by Express pilot

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Originally Posted by tsquare

So you want to go back to work rules and scope we had before? mmmmmmkay.

Originally Posted by gzsg

I know allowing 70 more 76 seat jets was a "victory".

And it would be a step backwards to have trips missed for vacation and 44 days of vacation.

Or our old training pay

Or seniority list instructors instead of giving away countless jobs to DGS.

I could go on and on and on but you can't fix stupid.

Originally Posted by Flying Monkey

But is it 30 cumulative Hours or consecutive. If I add a 30 rest period to the beginning, its 177 hours....over the 168. I know I must be making this more complicated than it is. Missing something.

Originally Posted by Rudder

Just read DAL is clipping PEk to NRT flights, I work these every month and the load factors on them seem good. Are we code sharing this out or just doing the Monty Python move? (run away run away)

This has been a way to get crews to Asia, will this cause more DH's to NRT or is something else happening?

thanx

Originally Posted by flyallnite

It certainly had (had) potential, but the implementation has been entirely bush league. We have an IT department. But since our company is so deeply siloed, we allowed a corporate customer to unload a brick- did anybody in flight ops think to run this by IT? This is a huge gaffe. And I think we all saw it coming.

So will they go forward with the Windows Pro or scrap the whole thing?

Originally Posted by Dash8widget

Consecutive. But the look back is required PRIOR to starting day 7 not at the end. If you look back from the start of day 7 there are 138 hours without a 30 hour break - which is 30 hours under 168. So at the start of day 7, you are good to go.