But think about how much more Rested you'll feel!

Y.G.T.B.S.M!

Somehow 117 has us laying over in NRT for 48 hours, after/before short 4 pilot, 12hr. legs, yet we can still fly LAX-Sydney or ATL-Dubai, 15 hour legs, with only 24 hr. layovers??

W. T. F??

It seems like there was no common sense applied to this thing at all!

All the 777 guys I've spoken with about the 48hr.s in NRT are in agreement, it's just going to fk us up more, body clock wise! We'll get acclimated to Tokyo time, just in time to leave and fly an all-nighter to Singapore, and then do it again, back to MSP.

All because some nitwit who shouldn't have been allowed in a cockpit, couldn't fly a stall recovery! Un-Be-Fkng-Lieveable.

 

Absolutely. Our leverage will evaporate instantaneously if most folks put themselves on a two-hour leash and bail out the company.

We need to inform our reserve buddies of this issue. The APC crowd is more informed than your average bear, and there are a ton of guys out there who are absolutely clueless.

Along those lines, as Deadhead and others have said, there will be hostages. If you decide not to acknowledge until within 10 hours, do not pull up iCrew for any reason unless you intend to acknowle. After you get the phone message from skeds, don't update icrew mobile or "cheat" by looking at "daily trip coverage." The company can see exactly when you log onto DBMS, and you may have to answer the mail if they can make a case that you slow-roll the acknowledgment.

The company will make this tough. The "crew auto notification" system will be working overtime. Calls/texts/emails will go out every five minutes to browbeat guys into acknowledging.
A couple of options for not getting disturbed in the middle of the night (or middle of the day--ringmaster is so 1997):
-Google Voice (free). You can create a rule to send Delta auto-notification calls straight to volice mail. PM me and I can walk you through it.
- iPhone Do Not Disturb. You can set it so your "favorites" ring even if it's on; I will add and remove Delta Scheduling from my favorites based on whether I'm contactable.
-Don't answer when skeds call

Summary:
Tell your buddies
Don't access DBMS until you're ready to acknowledge
Don't answer the phone when Delta calls

 

You have to have 30 hours off free from all duty within 168 consecutive hours prior to a FDP.

Assuming that your 30 hours rest was at the front end of a 168 hour period, you have 138 hours of "available" space for a FDP or short call before you have to be released into 30 hours of rest again.

That's about 5 3/4 days of duty in a 7 day rolling period.

Nu

 

That's because our scope doesn't cover jets with tailhooks that land on boats. That one has a bigger fin on it so I think its the -800 version which would be covered.

 

Maybe you have me confused with someone else. Long callis now effectively 19 hours...or…we can stick to the 3 hour notification and auto-drop 100% of every trip a LC RSV gets. That's the contract as of now.

The 2 hour rolling leash memo is pure fantasy.

 

^This. There is nothing illegal about not acknowledging a trip until 3 hours prior. Yes, that would make you illegal for that trip…but only if you actually did the trip without another 10 hours off, which the company admits it will not and cannot do. So our CBA langauge as it stands is still 100% legal and remains in force and is not "superceeded by federal law" one bit.

 

I like where your head's at



but 100% of whatever we gain from this needs to go towards reserve work rules and QOL and if there's anything left over, scope recapture though I think we all know that's not on anyone's radar at the moment.

 

No you can not. Per FAR 117 you need:

30 Consecutive hours free from all duty within the 168 consecutive
hour period prior to beginning an FDP or starting short call.

168 is basically a 7 day week. The 30 hour period can be at the front end of a trip but I don't see how this is possible with a 4 day trip followed by a 3 day trip. That situation would be possible only with two 3 day trips.

Unless there is something unusual going on with deadheads or possible a warp in the space time continuum, you need a 30 hour break in there somewhere.

See the bulletin the company e-mailed out today.

I would definitely take a good long look at it before flying it as you have described.

Scoop

 

I didn't realize that WSC was a legally binding document - I thought that it just served to help explain the scheduling provisions of our contract. From what I can find, the 9 hour leash is NOT codified in the PWA, it's IMPLIED as a MINIMUM leash thanks to the 3 hour prior acknowledgment requirement. As an example - let's say I'm on long call, and I noticed that I missed a call from scheduling so I use my iCrewMax app to unofficially check my schedule. And let's say that I notice, unofficially, that they have assigned a trip that reports 24 hours from now. I now have 21 hours before I have to officially acknowledge the assignment, not 9. Correct?

 

We should be pushing for higher trip rigs. If they want us to cool our heels in a hotel because of 117, fine. Pay me. 14 days off should equate to 85 hours a month, not 72. I think with the leverage we have now, we should apply pressure to increase the pay per duty period, not **** it away on some commuter friendly reserve scheme.