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Old 12-12-2013 | 07:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Whidbey
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If you're going to project our increased compensation, to be fair I think it would also be reasonable to include a projection for our increased productivity... ALV+15 comes to mind.

I'm also curious how you calculated the value of pension benefits.

Just curious. Thank you for the informative post.
Not to mention we have 9-ish different fleets. That has a massive associated cost with it, and is also a huge contributor to the average block hours per month flown statistic. While "narrowbody" costs were isolated, its still not apples:apples because of the massive training churn we have that they don't. Not only lack of productivity due to the training bubble, but also in the resulting trip inefficiencies. Since marketing > flt ops and wants every plane to fly to every city every day, we're stuck with more 30 hour layovers while they keep on trucking and racking up their daily average. We also had a few hundred furloughed pilots that helped pull that stat down, exacerbating an already not exactly fair context.

And yet even then, at the end of our current book, they will still make $1 more than us on like equipment*?





*Considering that what…95% of their fleet is -700's while less than 10% (and falling every day) comprises ours.
Old 12-12-2013 | 07:12 AM
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Originally Posted by sinca3
Funny how things change...
At the last LCA/Instructor meeting with RA is quoted as saying the 777's aren't making the money he wants! The 747 and ER's are doing well, but the 777 due to high payments etc isn't his favorite or the companies best widebody.
I didn't hear him say that it was due to high payments. He DID say we are going to reconfigure them to get a little better revenue out of them, but he did not tie that to payments for the jets.
Old 12-12-2013 | 07:16 AM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
I didn't hear him say that it was due to high payments. He DID say we are going to reconfigure them to get a little better revenue out of them, but he did not tie that to payments for the jets.
I've hear about the reconfiguration, but honestly don't remember what it entailed. It was a conversation with a flt att recently and she was telling us about her hot thanksgiving buffet, free coffee and 777 reconfiguration. All I heard was blah, blah, reconfiguration, blah, mr jingles, blah...
Old 12-12-2013 | 07:20 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Its being mandated by the airport authority. Its 5 to 6 minutes on the train to Federal station. You save time by the shorter drive distance in the van. In traffic it might in fact be faster. If however you come into terminal 2 where there is no train stop it becomes a real issue. Terminal 4 its not even a real inconvenience.
Actually from most gates at T4 to the airtrain is a hike. The stop for T2, and there IS a stop at T2 is closer but it is a bit of a walk. T1 is probably closer to T2 than either of the above examples.... The problem is that you have to ride around the entire airport unless you ride over to T8 and then change to the train that goes outside the airport.

Personally, I hope the architecture firm that did T4 has been fired, never to be seen again on the premises. I could have had the 5th year architecture students at UT do a project on this and come out with a much better result. I find it amazing that to get outside the airport one has to walk almost completely to the other finger, and the signage there is abhorrent.
Old 12-12-2013 | 07:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy
Sailingfun's data is only block hours.

It doesn't count credit time, vacation time, sick leave, training, or green slip pay, all of which are built into the 87 number.

If the typical guy has 5 hrs of credit a month, 120 hours of sick leave annually, 100 hours of vacation time annually, 10 hours of CQ annually and 80 hours of initial training every few years, that adds up to 25+ hours/month on average. Throw in a couple of green slips per year, and you're there.
I bet its skewed a bit because we have a lot more guys than they do that are in full, initial-type training.
Old 12-12-2013 | 07:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Purple Drank
Just out of curiosity...do you call in fatigued every time you don't sleep well in the hotel? What has the company's response been?
A good friend of mine called in fatigued for a red-eye going home on the last day of the trip. They were doing construction outside the SFO hotel the whole day before the red-eye and he simply couldn't get any rest that day before the flight. They simply deadheaded in a pilot from SLC, the flight left an hour or two late and he deadheaded home the next day. He was asked to write an ASAP or FCR, can't remember which and didn't hear anything from it.
Old 12-12-2013 | 07:44 AM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
I could have had the 5th year architecture students at UT do a project on this and come out with a much better result
We know that it would be orange, probably checkered, and that it would be shaped like a "T"

Somebody with paint please create a concept- FTB?

I think the comments RE the 777 not making (enough) money were in reference to the /BE/Y mix of seats. DL is planning to pull out some BE seats and FC seats on domestic planes and replace them with coach, since they are not filling all the FC seats on most flights, save for 'free' upgrades. The 777 was specifically mentioned in this initiative. Sucks for non revving!!!

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Old 12-12-2013 | 07:45 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Your correct that would be a more accurate number however I could not find that data broken out. In general the wifebodies have less credit then the narrow bodies so that would reduce narrow body productivity at Delta slightly.
Another factor is training costs. They run about 10 percent of pilot costs at Delta. SW also has training costs but far less. Assuming SW is about 2 percent of their pilot costs then 8 percent of our cost disadvantage over SW is driven by management fleet choices.
Disregard my previous post.
Old 12-12-2013 | 07:51 AM
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Originally Posted by TOGA LK
^^ Lake Lanier

God bless. Unfortunately women are like puppies, they don't stay young and fun forever.
Is the theme, cute girls, or girls fail? I mean there's a lot of material on the interwebz in either case.



... and I'm not poking too much fun. I put out my right shoe in the Atlanta Airport's fire/crash simulator.
Old 12-12-2013 | 07:52 AM
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I can only imagine too. How ****ing cheap and low rent Atlanta was. Somehow usair, swa, the fa's at delta, hell even the MSP chief pilots office found a way to do a hot buffett type setup. If it's not in the budget for the CPO, then alpa should use some of their budget. I doubt it would cost more than one evening in the hospitality suite.


Originally Posted by flyallnite
I can only imagine that some of our posts like this and "The Insulting Turkey Sandwich Fiasco" end up on the pilot lounge bulletin boards of airlines all over America, with appropriate comments penned in.
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