Report on day one at 1600, release on day 7 at 0900. If my math is correct, you just worked 137 hours which means you had at least 30 hours off in the previous 168. You worked 7 days in a row without a 30 hour layover and it's perfectly legal.

You need 30 Consecutive hours off.

Scoop

12-19-2013 | 10:41 AM

#145272

Roadkill

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Yep, I have a 3 day followed by a 4 day with 25 hours off between release and report. However, the 3 day has a 31 hr layo, and the 4 day has a 34 hr layo, so I'm "good to go!".
It's not 30 hrs of BLOCK now, they don't care about block... it's 60hrs of FLIGHT DUTY PERIODs, and guess what? a 30 hour layo is NOT a FDP, it's an opportunity for your to recharge your batteries away from home in a crppy hotel room, at no cost to the company...
We do need to make that time away from home cost the company something, and get paid for it.

12-19-2013 | 10:52 AM

#145273

Bucking Bar

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From: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roadkill

something, and get paid for it.

Yes. A lot of 31 to 34 hour sits to fly one leg back to base ... not efficient.

With so many long sits commuting home, or to job #2, mid rotation might become an option for some.

12-19-2013 | 11:11 AM

#145274

gloopy

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From: window seat

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Originally Posted by iaflyer

While the company probably isn't going to knowingly violate you, with new types of limits and different wording for similar limits, we all gotta be careful.

Absolutely. Even now after how many decades and computer backups and supervisors, etc. they still occasionally get some of the basic FAR stuff wrong. These next few months will be a huge CYA exercise, especially with the company attempting to push us into contractually illegal mandates to overcome self induced logistical issues.

12-19-2013 | 11:20 AM

#145275

Dash8widget

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From: SLC ERB

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scoop

You need 30 Consecutive hours off.

Scoop

Take a look at my example again - there are 30 consecutive hours off at the beginning. After the pilot had worked his 7 days, he had 137 hours without a 30 hour rest. But, that's ok because he DID have 30+ consecutive hours of rest in the previous 168. 168 - 137 = 31. In a 168 hour look back upon his release on day 7, he had 31 consecutive hours of rest - at the beginning. In other words, you can go 138 hours before needing a 30 break in duty.

12-19-2013 | 11:31 AM

#145276

johnso29

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From: B757/767

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Originally Posted by Timbo

Feb. 2 is also my Son's 21st birthday, I was planing us a trip to Vegas, get him some hookers and blow. I guess that'll have to wait...

You're the best dad ever!!!

12-19-2013 | 11:33 AM

#145277

sailingfun

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dash8widget

If you worked 7 days in a row you could not exceed 60 hours on duty. If there were 6 duty periods in your example they would have to average under 10 hours each. Possible but probably not the norm.

12-19-2013 | 11:37 AM

#145278

Purple Drank

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Originally Posted by sailingfun

Possible but probably not the norm.

Where have we heard that before.

12-19-2013 | 11:38 AM

#145279

sailingfun

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dash8widget

I didn't realize that WSC was a legally binding document - I thought that it just served to help explain the scheduling provisions of our contract. From what I can find, the 9 hour leash is NOT codified in the PWA, it's IMPLIED as a MINIMUM leash thanks to the 3 hour prior acknowledgment requirement. As an example - let's say I'm on long call, and I noticed that I missed a call from scheduling so I use my iCrewMax app to unofficially check my schedule. And let's say that I notice, unofficially, that they have assigned a trip that reports 24 hours from now. I now have 21 hours before I have to officially acknowledge the assignment, not 9. Correct?

WSC was approved by both the company and DALPA as a explanation and supplement to the contract. You can bet that the arbitrator will see the document and the company will have to explain why their interpretation then is different then now. WSC states that you always have at least 9 hours between schedule checks or returning a company call. It can be more but never less.