Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
12-18-2013 | 07:57 PM
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Jack
You are correct sir.
Scoop your characterization of our pea rules as now being "illegal" is incorrect and a misuse of the word. It is merely in conflict with the cheapest company-desired resolution.
You are correct sir.
Scoop your characterization of our pea rules as now being "illegal" is incorrect and a misuse of the word. It is merely in conflict with the cheapest company-desired resolution.
12-18-2013 | 09:41 PM
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Our contract is now in conflict with the FARs - you can characterize it however you want. I give up on this subject - all we can do is wait and see anyway.
By the way, just because I do not deny this conflict as some do, does not mean I support the companies desired answer to this issue - SD's proposed solution is a joke. If his proposed solution is the best the company can do, they better be prepared to fly the January schedule without reserve Pilots.
Scoop
12-18-2013 | 10:20 PM
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I think you have it backwards - the ability to turn your phone off for 9 hours is derived from the fact that long call reserves have until 3 hours prior to report to acknowledge an assignment. Not the other way around. There is actually nothing in our PWA that specifically says you can be out of contact for 9 hours when on reserve.
Of course the end result is the same
And, per ALPA, your interpretation is essentially correct.
Of course the end result is the same
And, per ALPA, your interpretation is essentially correct.
12-19-2013 | 12:59 AM
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12-19-2013 | 03:14 AM
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To all you guys that "like" the longer long call window...you do realize 1 jan, domestic long call is 12 hours and intl is 14. So, a longer long call window is a concession. Going in, the company objectively needs a 19 hour leash guy to comply with the minimum...the far min, the pwa min, the rested min...AND, that is to cover the one and only golden BB trip that that pilot can be rested for.
In effect, the company is entering 1 January without reserve pilots...I don't know why, but no one has chewed on my GSWC proposal, not even to flesh it out...am I to assume that everyone was a "rocker?"
This is a gigantic hole the company has to fill, and most of you folks are talking like a concession would fill it for you and you'd be happy. I really am fuzzy on why.
In effect, the company is entering 1 January without reserve pilots...I don't know why, but no one has chewed on my GSWC proposal, not even to flesh it out...am I to assume that everyone was a "rocker?"
This is a gigantic hole the company has to fill, and most of you folks are talking like a concession would fill it for you and you'd be happy. I really am fuzzy on why.
12-19-2013 | 03:26 AM
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To all you guys that "like" the longer long call window...you do realize 1 jan, domestic long call is 12 hours and intl is 14. So, a longer long call window is a concession. Going in, the company objectively needs a 19 hour leash guy to comply with the minimum...the far min, the pwa min, the rested min...AND, that is to cover the one and only golden BB trip that that pilot can be rested for.
In effect, the company is entering 1 January without reserve pilots...I don't know why, but no one has chewed on my GSWC proposal, not even to flesh it out...am I to assume that everyone was a "rocker?"
This is a gigantic hole the company has to fill, and most of you folks are talking like a concession would fill it for you and you'd be happy. I really am fuzzy on why.
In effect, the company is entering 1 January without reserve pilots...I don't know why, but no one has chewed on my GSWC proposal, not even to flesh it out...am I to assume that everyone was a "rocker?"
This is a gigantic hole the company has to fill, and most of you folks are talking like a concession would fill it for you and you'd be happy. I really am fuzzy on why.
The issue is the leash on long call is being tightened or at least that is the wish of the company. In theory you are basically on a 2 hour leash to acknowledge a trip so you have 10 hours of rest per 117 new requirement. Going to 16 or 19 hours would not be a concession it would be a benefit, especially to commuters.
12-19-2013 | 03:32 AM
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I think you have long call and short call confused. On 1 Jan the WB reserves now have 14 hour short call duty period vs. 24. The long call period of a minimum of 12 hours from notification to report is unchanged for both NB and WB pilots.
The issue is the leash on long call is being tightened or at least that is the wish of the company. In theory you are basically on a 2 hour leash to acknowledge a trip so you have 10 hours of rest per 117 new requirement. Going to 16 or 19 hours would not be a concession it would be a benefit, especially to commuters.
The issue is the leash on long call is being tightened or at least that is the wish of the company. In theory you are basically on a 2 hour leash to acknowledge a trip so you have 10 hours of rest per 117 new requirement. Going to 16 or 19 hours would not be a concession it would be a benefit, especially to commuters.
Any give by us is therefore a concession.
12-19-2013 | 04:14 AM
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Quick PCS/Swap Board Question:
I've got a spillout trip end of Jan, I don't want it, but since it goes into Feb, I don't think I can get rid of it via PCS (tomorrow) or on the swap board, until after -next month's- bid runs and PCS runs begin, as in Jan. 20th, is that correct?
I've got a spillout trip end of Jan, I don't want it, but since it goes into Feb, I don't think I can get rid of it via PCS (tomorrow) or on the swap board, until after -next month's- bid runs and PCS runs begin, as in Jan. 20th, is that correct?
12-19-2013 | 04:21 AM
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From: DAL FO
Quick PCS/Swap Board Question:
I've got a spillout trip end of Jan, I don't want it, but since it goes into Feb, I don't think I can get rid of it via PCS (tomorrow) or on the swap board, until after -next month's- bid runs and PCS runs begin, as in Jan. 20th, is that correct?
I've got a spillout trip end of Jan, I don't want it, but since it goes into Feb, I don't think I can get rid of it via PCS (tomorrow) or on the swap board, until after -next month's- bid runs and PCS runs begin, as in Jan. 20th, is that correct?
12-19-2013 | 04:24 AM
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From: Going to hell in a bucket, but enjoying the ride .
I'll put it in there and see what happens but I think I ran into this same thing a few years ago and it got denied, reason being they don't know what reserve coverage they'll have in the first week of Feb. until after they run the Feb bids.
Or was there a change to allow it, in that last SOT LOA?
Or was there a change to allow it, in that last SOT LOA?
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