Originally Posted by Beer Man

If I understand what you're saying, in order to comply with the PWA and the FAR's long call assignments basically have to go out with 19 hours notice in order for the company to cover requirements without conflict.

Originally Posted by gloopy

Then that is even worse for the company. Its far superior for scheduling if we are allowed to be out of contact for 9 hours and then need 10 hours after that versus waiting until 3 hours prior to acknowledge a trip and then needing 10 hours rest, which would automatically drop the trip.

19 hour long call isn't as convenient as 12 for the company, but its infinitely superior for them than untouchable/automatic trip drop due to legality long call.

This is actually a huge opportunity for "constructive engagement" or whatever. Maybe we can compromise and codify a 15 hour long call with a 5 hour rolling "leash" for acknolwdgement and add an extra 15 minutes a day pay/credit for vacation. Either way, its up to us and our reps to negotiate for improvements on this. Letting the company put out its own helmet fire by lining through our contract and penciling in its most favorable fantasy interpretation is something we simply cannot allow.

There is ample opportunity to provide relief to the company to keep the operation running smoothly (provided they staff appropriately) while obtaining substantial QOL improvemenes for our reserves and remaining legal per the FAR's.

Originally Posted by Beer Man

^^^THIS^^^
although I'm hoping for an 18 hour long call with 8 hours to acknowledge, but I'll take 16 and 6.

Originally Posted by Dash8widget

The PWA says you do not have to acknowledge an assignment until 3 hours prior to REPORT. What you say about the 19 hour notice is a potential fix to this problem, but would require change to the PWA. As it stands now, if they give you a trip with 19 hours notice, you can still wait until 3 hours prior to report to acknowledge it - making you illegal for the trip...

Originally Posted by gloopy

Its a tough call for the vast majority of commuters. 12 hours is not enough time to reliably and consistantly sit long call at home for most commuters unless they are NYC based living in a shuttle city. Yet, with most pilots commuters, and in some bases the overwhelming majority commuting, its unresonable to expect pilots to consistently come up the day before while on long call with no assignment just because maybe theoretically they could possibly get a worst case scenario report time.

Hopefully we can reach an agreement with the company where LC time is increased to at least 14 or 15 hours and early day one reports are a thing of the past.

Originally Posted by gloopy

Agreed. No one is going to get the month off because of this. The only thing that could end up going away are the early AM shows on day one of reserve.

About time.

Originally Posted by TOGA LK

They love doing this to commuters.

Originally Posted by Beer Man

I couldn't find that exact language in the PWA, but if it's there, then long call reserves will never be legal to work unless we voluntarily acknowledge a trip with enough time to get the legal rest.

To say that the union would have some huge leverage would be an understatement