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johnso29 08-04-2013 06:56 PM


Originally Posted by Sunvox (Post 1457248)
Delta pilots are the root cause of the failure for scope?

Agree or disagree but show me what you know about the history of scope.

Perhaps you should show us what YOU know about the history of scope. I know what Delta pilots are doing to attempt to reclaim flying.

Now what is United doing to restore the profession? Unfortunately the United pilot group couldn't match current Delta pilot scope protections, nor exceed Delta rates on the same or comparable equipment. :(

buzzpat 08-04-2013 07:19 PM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1457257)
That's a funny cultural thing on the 737. We have virtually identical radio management units on the bus, and you tune from whoever's side is operating the radio. If that guy needs to go to radio 2, he presses radio 2 on his RMU and tunes from there.

I noticed the capability to shockingly tune radio 1 from the copilots side of the cockpit in the 737, but quickly got told "NO. NO. That's how puppies get euthanized!" Then I came over to fifi... they took a sip from their glass of wine, crossed their legs, and said "tune it on whatever side you want. I le don't care."

That must be an ATL thing. In LA, the guy flying tunes the radio for the guy talking. I've never been told not to in 5 years.

There are quite a few things that are ATL things, which is why I only go through there every 9 months...and that's because I have to.;)

buzzpat 08-04-2013 07:27 PM


Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1457234)
This reminds me of some of the games our boom operators would play on us in the KC135's. There were some floor boards they could pull up and reach the rudder and elevator cables, so of course, if you were trying to hand fly it at cruise, they would pull the cables and you'd be all over the trim, trying to figure out W. T. F. you were doing! :eek::D

That reminds me of my initial AR check ride at Altus back in the day. We had to stay on the boom for 10 mins with the tanker's autopilot on and 5 minutes autopilot off (I think that was it). Before I took off, I called the tanker unit and spoke to the AC. He told me he'd make it smooth. He was impeccable. I called him back after the ride to thank him and he told me he just left the autopilot on the whole time. Best check I ever had in the USAF.

Was that you Timbo??:D

Timbo 08-04-2013 07:58 PM


Originally Posted by buzzpat (Post 1457295)
That reminds me of my initial AR check ride at Altus back in the day. We had to stay on the boom for 10 mins with the tanker's autopilot on and 5 minutes autopilot off (I think that was it). Before I took off, I called the tanker unit and spoke to the AC. He told me he'd make it smooth. He was impeccable. I called him back after the ride to thank him and he told me he just left the autopilot on the whole time. Best check I ever had in the USAF.

Was that you Timbo??:D

I was in NH ANG, usually we were on the east coast, so I doubt it, but I'd have done the same for you Buzz. We worked with a lot of 141's out of Maguire.

One guy told us it was his check ride and asked if we could do some autopilot off with S turns, so I asked how much bank?

He said "What ever you want..."

So I did 45 bank each way, twice.:D I figured if he fell off he could blame me. I was getting a check ride too, so I had to work hard and be smooth.

To his credit, he stayed on the boom the whole time, our boom was telling me he was doing great. He did give us an Attaboy on the way out, said it was some of the smoothest AP off he'd ever seen. His IP even asked, "You sure the AP was off?" It was, only because I had to for my check ride.

The scariest was when the C5's came in fast, the bow wave would lift our tail up and you had to be ready for it or else you'd dive down into them. :eek: And on the way out, the opposite would happen, ie. you'd go nose up. We always preferred to hand fly those because if they came in too fast, the autopilot couldn't keep up and it would kick off, then you'd really have your hands full, all of a sudden. It was easier to just hand fly and trim it yourself.

80ktsClamp 08-05-2013 01:56 AM


Originally Posted by buzzpat (Post 1457293)
That must be an ATL thing. In LA, the guy flying tunes the radio for the guy talking. I've never been told not to in 5 years.

There are quite a few things that are ATL things, which is why I only go through there every 9 months...and that's because I have to.;)

What I was saying is on the 737, only the left tuning unit is used for ATC and the right for guard/making PAs on guard/ops/ramp. You've got the capability for doing it from whatever side you're sitting without reaching across (man touch!), but they wanted you to reach. :)

forgot to bid 08-05-2013 04:48 AM


Originally Posted by Scoop (Post 1457069)
We had this on the C-9 in the Navy a few times (No autopilot) but one time stands out as particularly fun. I was flying as the aircraft Commander and knowing my limitations (a man has got to know his limitations) we asked for, and received, a block altitude for most of the time at cruise. We were flying transcon, San Diego to Norfolk, or perhaps Jacksonville so it was going to be quite tedious.

The other Pilot, also an aircraft commander but flying as a co-pilot that day, was your typical **** hot fighter pilot type, who was generally a better stick and rudder man than myself - so naturally I couldn't pass up this opportunity to humble him a few notches.

We decided to take turns to break up the monotony of hand flying. Unbeknownst to my fellow aviator, I called back to the crew and hatched a devious plan.

http://i938.photobucket.com/albums/a...d/temp3-40.png

When ever I was flying everyone would remain seated but when my partner was flying the crew would alternatively move all the way forward wait a few minutes and then move all the way back. We flew with the cockpit door open and our crew chief would pop up see who was flying and then take charge in the back.

It worked like a charm - I was able to trim the aircraft relatively stable, but my buddy was all over the sky. He actually started sweating and was worried he was losing "it."

http://i938.photobucket.com/albums/a...d/temp9-10.png

After over an hour of this we finally broke down and told him what was going on - the look on his face was priceless!

http://i938.photobucket.com/albums/a...d/TEMP1-51.png

Scoop

I bet I hate the 3 picture limit more than anyone else here.

Bucking Bar 08-05-2013 04:50 AM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1457396)
I bet I hate the 3 picture limit more than anyone else here.

Everything is funny when juxtaposed with pics from "Fright"

Timbo 08-05-2013 05:16 AM


Originally Posted by PilotFrog (Post 1457148)
Timbo: You been keeping up with the America's Cup? Got to see part of a race the other day. Unreal how fast those boats can accelerate and flying by on foils was impressive.

Here's a great (short) video I found of the new Artimis boat up on the foils going fast. At 35 seconds, watch how they lower the one board on the left, as they begin the gybe:

Artemis Racing - and on the 7th day... - YouTube

The "Trick" is to keep the boat up on the foils all the way through the gybe, to keep their speed up.

forgot to bid 08-05-2013 05:28 AM

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shiznit 08-05-2013 05:32 AM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1457281)
Perhaps you should show us what YOU know about the history of scope. I know what Delta pilots are doing to attempt to reclaim flying.

Now what is United doing to restore the profession? Unfortunately the United pilot group couldn't match current Delta pilot scope protections, nor exceed Delta rates on the same or comparable equipment. :(

And how long until United pilots get back to the table and "almost raise the bar" again?:rolleyes:


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