Bucking Bar

John,

How about a little situational awareness?

Delta is trying to cancel some DCI contracts and the litigation in other contracts can't be a good thing for the other ACMI vendor. You say Mesa's a "dead man" and I'll add that SkyWest suing Delta over compensation for ASA's IROPS can't be doing much to promote love and harmony with St. George Utah.

Unfortunately negligence is not "criminal" since most managers don't intend to be stupid. It is just a tough business and when you need $425,000,000 in a bad way and someone else has $425,000,000 in cash sometimes you make dumb deals with non union alter ego management teams who generously give to Republican campaigns.

Dare I point out that the music is stopping in some parts of our industry and not all pilots have seats to sit in. This has already happened at your airline where pilots have been furloughed. This in spite of your MEC's assurances that scope had been obtained which would prevent outsourcing your flying to SkyWest.

I had hoped SkyWest would join ALPA and you guys would seek unity. SkyWest might have become ALPA if your own MEC had taken up scope which gave them an incentive to seek unity with ASA. As is, they get an objective benefit by not being in ALPA.

Again, I believe you should be on the phone to your own reps instead of stirring up the Delta line guys who visit this forum to get the "latest and greatest" on Delta. We're only wasting your time.

For example, what if Delta needs another "loan" and decides to obtain that liquidity from a Compass, Mesaba, or Comair, sale? Certainly the buyer would want guarantees of stable flying and growth. That growth would likely come at your expense. So where are your real threats? I know it is easier to tell Delta pilots what you think they should support, but really, our internal fight about "unity" is not a threat to you.

Let us get back to whether 777-300's makes more sense than 747-400's and how the new hotel in Sacramento blows.

John Pennekamp

From what I can tell, the only contracts DAL is trying to cancel are the low quality providers. Perhaps they've realized cheaper isn't really better? We can all only hope so.

The lawsuit over IROP pay is just business. Both sides have said that. I don't think managers take things like that personally. Talk about SA, way to see everything from a pilot perspective.

Regarding criminal negligence, I was referring to their duty to the shareholders.

Thanks for your opinion of who I should call. Unfortunately, my reps don't return my calls (nor those of most of my peers), and think they know what's best for us. Hopefully they will be voted out soon.

And once again, I will post to any forum I please, whenever I see something interesting. You may choose to ignore me. Or pony up and start your own members only message board. At least that way you won't have to be exposed to viewpoints different than yours.

John Pennekamp

Way to edit after the fact. There is no point in you and I continuing this conversation, because there is no way to compromise. Which will also most likely be the end of any hope of getting our groups together (like last time).

Good day sir, good luck in your career. I hope your MEC holds the line on scope. I'm certain they won't. My job is VERY secure.

Rather B Fishin

My opinion??? I have simply asked what makes you so special not to have to give up anything to come to Delta. I have not stated my opinion on flow through. Also so the opinion of almost all Delta pilots on here are framed as what's BEST for DELTA Pilots (not's what's best for ME). Find me a quote on here where individual Delta pilots are speaking from a what's best for me as the individual. You said you are senior enough to weather tough times. How do your junior copilots on here feel about that. I would think a self described "trade unionist" would be concerned for ALL positions at his/her company! You don't seem to be speaking from the perspective of the group but rather that of an individual and what's best for you. I'm not labeling you selfish, but that is indeed how your posts are coming across.....
Oh and news flash the only downward pressure had been the threat of the 1113c hearings. We are getting RID of DCI carriers, not picking up more! Our union has taken steps on scope and I believe have finally drawn a line in the sand. How can your MEC force Delta to give you more flying??

Rather B Fishin

Wow how ignorant can one really be. Have you no knowledge of airline history. Eastern, Pan Am, Braniff, TWA, Indpendence, ExpressJet etc etc. You think the guys at UAL in 2000 felt VERY secure.... Crap flows down hill partner, I hope and pray thats a lesson you'll never have to learn.....

Bucking Bar

Jeesh - I'll miss you.

You are right, there is no way for us to compromise because neither of us has authority to negotiate on behalf of our pilots. This is simply the wrong forum for what you want to achieve.

Since you & the Dude are no longer on typing terms, any chance we could get back to the latest and greatest on Delta, as the thread's name implies might be discussed in this forum?

So, I'm hearing rumors of an airplane order in October. Anyone? Anyone?

Bucking Bar

El Duderino maintains a very high standard in his bowling, appearance and matters of hostage rescue. You can't expect perfection on the first pass. Sometimes it takes considerable revision when the Dude is not into the whole brevity thing.

Chente

I agree 100%! I agree with what lifeisgood said as well.

Sink r8

There is a chance. I think it will be needlessly squandered, unfortunately.

Let's see what unfolds...

Chente

Dude, relax, sounds like you are starting to get a bit emotional over this. ACL was just trying to say to keep it cordial.....