Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
09-05-2009, 04:43 PM
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+1 sailingfun
It cant be both
"the payoff for furloghs is 2 years" and
"we won't furlough now to carry next years summer schedule"
Here are my two cents:
We will furlough late 2010 if the 2011 summer schedule is below next summer's schedule
The furlough clause in our contract is not what's keeping the company from furloughing...it never has!
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George
It cant be both
"the payoff for furloghs is 2 years" and
"we won't furlough now to carry next years summer schedule"
Here are my two cents:
We will furlough late 2010 if the 2011 summer schedule is below next summer's schedule
The furlough clause in our contract is not what's keeping the company from furloughing...it never has!
Cheers
George
09-05-2009, 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by scambo1
...Also, if we strengthen the flow thru with compass and furlough so that DAL pilots are filling every compass seat, doesn't it then make sense as a next step to staple compass the company to the bottom of DAL? Scambo
I agree lets staple Compass and get the E-jets on the Delta certificate, else we see a SJP take over the 100+/- seat flying as we park some DC-9s in the years ahead...
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09-05-2009, 06:23 PM
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Keep in mind that if you staple Compass and don't own the flying you set management up well for the 2012 contract. They park or transfer the E175's and replace them with regular 70 seaters. Now you have 400 hundred furloughed hostages for the 2012 contract without management having to break a sweat to get them. I fully support bringing Compass onboard but we have to own the flying. That means all the E170/175 airframes.
09-05-2009, 07:25 PM
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So kick out RAH and take get the planes to Compass.
I'm for that Sailing.
But if Delta isn't for the E190 why would they be for the E175? What is the hang up? Leases? Leases aren't a problem evidently for DCI's E175s? I mean you guys that have been around are smart, we happily will scream to staple Compass and get take away DCIs EJets and so forth but whats the catch?
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And to all you Navy grads, that was one hell of a game. Sorry it didn't turn out. And Satchip... how's your blood pressure? You senior to me?
I'm for that Sailing.
But if Delta isn't for the E190 why would they be for the E175? What is the hang up? Leases? Leases aren't a problem evidently for DCI's E175s? I mean you guys that have been around are smart, we happily will scream to staple Compass and get take away DCIs EJets and so forth but whats the catch?
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And to all you Navy grads, that was one hell of a game. Sorry it didn't turn out. And Satchip... how's your blood pressure? You senior to me?
09-05-2009, 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Cycle Pilot
Does anybody know where to find the language that talks about pay protection if you get displaced off an aircraft and you can't hold that plane anywhere else in the system? I've looked everywhere but can't find it!
09-05-2009, 10:11 PM
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Originally Posted by JobHopper
Go to DAL ALPA website. Once there, click on "Library" from the menus running across the top. Select the MEC folder on the top left of the page that comes up, then the Contract Language folder. Select the Memos of Understanding folder and you will see a list of MOUs on the right side of the page. You want MOU 8.
09-06-2009, 04:16 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Keep in mind that if you staple Compass and don't own the flying you set management up well for the 2012 contract. They park or transfer the E175's and replace them with regular 70 seaters. Now you have 400 hundred furloughed hostages for the 2012 contract without management having to break a sweat to get them. I fully support bringing Compass onboard but we have to own the flying. That means all the E170/175 airframes.
Cost neutral isn't my objective come 2012.
09-06-2009, 04:46 AM
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Roll Tide! Go Air Force! and How 'bout those Mormons! The race for 2nd place to Florida (or whatever SEC team emerges) just got more interesting with Bradford going out and OK going down.
Prediction time: OK beats Texas but looses out for the championship because UT will be ranked higher. USC makes OSU look like chumps, runs the table and looses to FLA(AL) in the BCS championship. Boise State also runs the table is left out of the title game and their congressional delegation demands hearings about the inherit bias of the BCS. Obama names a BCS Czar and the federal government takes over college football and most other sports in the name of "fairness".
Prediction time: OK beats Texas but looses out for the championship because UT will be ranked higher. USC makes OSU look like chumps, runs the table and looses to FLA(AL) in the BCS championship. Boise State also runs the table is left out of the title game and their congressional delegation demands hearings about the inherit bias of the BCS. Obama names a BCS Czar and the federal government takes over college football and most other sports in the name of "fairness".
09-06-2009, 05:21 AM
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Originally Posted by TOGA LK
I have a feeling the 2012 contract won't be cost neutral. Too many pilots po'ed about 76 seat transcon capable E-Jets being flown via contract. You'll likely find quite a few mid-career pilots, now the majority, pushing for DC improvements, the current scale isn't much better. Seriously, they took multiple-million dollar retirements away and replaced them with 6% DC?
Cost neutral isn't my objective come 2012.
Cost neutral isn't my objective come 2012.
09-06-2009, 05:35 AM
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Originally Posted by TOGA LK
I have a feeling the 2012 contract won't be cost neutral. Too many pilots po'ed about 76 seat transcon capable E-Jets being flown via contract. You'll likely find quite a few mid-career pilots, now the majority, pushing for DC improvements, the current scale isn't much better. Seriously, they took multiple-million dollar retirements away and replaced them with 6% DC?
Cost neutral isn't my objective come 2012.
Cost neutral isn't my objective come 2012.
The 2012 contract had better be far from cost neutral. Its going to be very expensive for the company. It also will probably not be complete until 2014 if we are lucky.
Just to be clear on one point. The DC plan is not 6 percent. It will be 14 percent when we start negotiations in 2012. I would like to see that number bumped up to 16 and perhaps some targeted DC money for age and years of service groups that got hurt the most in the termination of the retirement plan.
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