Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
09-24-2013 | 01:53 PM
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What an incredible comeback. Go USA!
09-24-2013 | 01:54 PM
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The two things coexist: Alfa takes a very rational approach to most problems, and expresses it with... inconsistent degrees of sensibility, let's say; and Roadkill wants to feel more like we've got a pitbull representing us.
We just all want a smart pitbull.
Alfa seems to be the kind of guy that worries more about the action than the politics. I respect that. It's just that there are political realities that need to be addressed, egos to stroke, and soft messages of hope to be delivered. And we want to get tucked in at night.
Why our MEC doesn't seem to be great at cajoling the membership, the way a guy like Carl excels at cajoling us on APC, I have no idea. I don't mean this as an insult to Carl. He's very good. Couldn't our union be just a little better at it?
We want rational behavior, smart choices, but right now, we sure don't feel like being humble. If Delta asked us for a $5 bill in exchange for a $10 bill, I'm not sure we'd go there.
So the frustrating thing is that Alfa will probably never be very good at singing us lullabys, and I wonder if our union will ever come out of a meeting and make pilot noises when they move their lips. And yet they have seemed to make some pretty effective calls, which I've validated with my (all too infrequent) vote.
Alfa is right on another point, USAPA is a great prototype of a union that promised they could be all things, and made the right noises, for just long enough.
Maybe deep down, "in places we don't talk about, we prefer to have Alfa on that wall".
Sure would feel nice to say "no", though. Just once.
We just all want a smart pitbull.
Alfa seems to be the kind of guy that worries more about the action than the politics. I respect that. It's just that there are political realities that need to be addressed, egos to stroke, and soft messages of hope to be delivered. And we want to get tucked in at night.
Why our MEC doesn't seem to be great at cajoling the membership, the way a guy like Carl excels at cajoling us on APC, I have no idea. I don't mean this as an insult to Carl. He's very good. Couldn't our union be just a little better at it?
We want rational behavior, smart choices, but right now, we sure don't feel like being humble. If Delta asked us for a $5 bill in exchange for a $10 bill, I'm not sure we'd go there.
So the frustrating thing is that Alfa will probably never be very good at singing us lullabys, and I wonder if our union will ever come out of a meeting and make pilot noises when they move their lips. And yet they have seemed to make some pretty effective calls, which I've validated with my (all too infrequent) vote.
Alfa is right on another point, USAPA is a great prototype of a union that promised they could be all things, and made the right noises, for just long enough.
Maybe deep down, "in places we don't talk about, we prefer to have Alfa on that wall".
Sure would feel nice to say "no", though. Just once.
09-24-2013 | 02:14 PM
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09-24-2013 | 02:14 PM
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09-24-2013 | 02:36 PM
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We are through the looking glass here.
This is not Section 6. We don't have to do any of this. So we are just voluntarily giving up something in our contract that has tangible value for us in exchange for "protections" that allow the company to cut 15% of the hours we currently fly in the Pacific.
What kind of a deal is that? Its pure insanity. Only DALPA could spin this as some sort of good deal. That's not protection. That's total surrender.
I am fully aware that the situation in NRT is changing and the company no longer wants to fly 316 slots. They will lose money if they do. But so what? That is our contract. Those are our jobs. They also lose money by paying reserves a monthly guarantee. Let's get rid of that while were at it. tsquare's stock will go up.
They lose money by paying us per diem. They lose money by allowing us to have vacations. They lose money by paying us when we're sick. etc. etc. etc. If the company is hurting, then why isn't all that stuff on the table?
I don't care if we have a section in our contract that requires them to keep a 747 in standby orbit over FTB's house 24 hours a day fully loaded with breadsticks and cognac and staffed with Oregon cheerleaders.
By God, they will keep that airplane up there and if they want to get rid of that contractual requirement then they are going to have to pay me something in return. Promising to only cut 15% of our jobs is not something in return. Its an insult to my intelligence.
Our PWA is NOT open right now. To quote a famous CEO, "A contract is a contract".
Put me on the negotiating committee. I'd take an immediate 5% raise and a 100% of current block hours guarantee in exchange for those slots. Nothing less. Otherwise, bye-bye codesharing at Narita.
This is not Section 6. We don't have to do any of this. So we are just voluntarily giving up something in our contract that has tangible value for us in exchange for "protections" that allow the company to cut 15% of the hours we currently fly in the Pacific.
What kind of a deal is that? Its pure insanity. Only DALPA could spin this as some sort of good deal. That's not protection. That's total surrender.
I am fully aware that the situation in NRT is changing and the company no longer wants to fly 316 slots. They will lose money if they do. But so what? That is our contract. Those are our jobs. They also lose money by paying reserves a monthly guarantee. Let's get rid of that while were at it. tsquare's stock will go up.
They lose money by paying us per diem. They lose money by allowing us to have vacations. They lose money by paying us when we're sick. etc. etc. etc. If the company is hurting, then why isn't all that stuff on the table?
I don't care if we have a section in our contract that requires them to keep a 747 in standby orbit over FTB's house 24 hours a day fully loaded with breadsticks and cognac and staffed with Oregon cheerleaders.
By God, they will keep that airplane up there and if they want to get rid of that contractual requirement then they are going to have to pay me something in return. Promising to only cut 15% of our jobs is not something in return. Its an insult to my intelligence.
Our PWA is NOT open right now. To quote a famous CEO, "A contract is a contract".
Put me on the negotiating committee. I'd take an immediate 5% raise and a 100% of current block hours guarantee in exchange for those slots. Nothing less. Otherwise, bye-bye codesharing at Narita.
09-24-2013 | 02:43 PM
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We are through the looking glass here.
This is not Section 6. We don't have to do any of this. So we are just voluntarily giving up something in our contract that has tangible value for us in exchange for "protections" that allow the company to cut 15% of the hours we currently fly in the Pacific.
What kind of a deal is that? Its pure insanity. Only DALPA could spin this as some sort of good deal. That's not protection. That's total surrender.
I am fully aware that the situation in NRT is changing and the company no longer wants to fly 316 slots. They will lose money if they do. But so what? That is our contract. Those are our jobs. They also lose money by paying reserves a monthly guarantee. Let's get rid of that while were at it. tsquare's stock will go up.
They lose money by paying us per diem. They lose money by allowing us to have vacations. They lose money by paying us when we're sick. etc. etc. etc. If the company is hurting, then why isn't all that stuff on the table?
I don't care if we have a section in our contract that requires them to keep a 747 in standby orbit over FTB's house 24 hours a day fully loaded with breadsticks and cognac and staffed with Oregon cheerleaders.
By God, they will keep that airplane up there and if they want to get rid of that contractual requirement then they are going to have to pay me something in return. Promising to only cut 15% of our jobs is not something in return. Its an insult to my intelligence.
Our PWA is NOT open right now. To quote a famous CEO, "A contract is a contract".
Put me on the negotiating committee. I'd take an immediate 5% raise and a 100% of current block hours guarantee in exchange for those slots. Nothing less. Otherwise, bye-bye codesharing at Narita.
This is not Section 6. We don't have to do any of this. So we are just voluntarily giving up something in our contract that has tangible value for us in exchange for "protections" that allow the company to cut 15% of the hours we currently fly in the Pacific.
What kind of a deal is that? Its pure insanity. Only DALPA could spin this as some sort of good deal. That's not protection. That's total surrender.
I am fully aware that the situation in NRT is changing and the company no longer wants to fly 316 slots. They will lose money if they do. But so what? That is our contract. Those are our jobs. They also lose money by paying reserves a monthly guarantee. Let's get rid of that while were at it. tsquare's stock will go up.
They lose money by paying us per diem. They lose money by allowing us to have vacations. They lose money by paying us when we're sick. etc. etc. etc. If the company is hurting, then why isn't all that stuff on the table?
I don't care if we have a section in our contract that requires them to keep a 747 in standby orbit over FTB's house 24 hours a day fully loaded with breadsticks and cognac and staffed with Oregon cheerleaders.
By God, they will keep that airplane up there and if they want to get rid of that contractual requirement then they are going to have to pay me something in return. Promising to only cut 15% of our jobs is not something in return. Its an insult to my intelligence.
Our PWA is NOT open right now. To quote a famous CEO, "A contract is a contract".
Put me on the negotiating committee. I'd take an immediate 5% raise and a 100% of current block hours guarantee in exchange for those slots. Nothing less. Otherwise, bye-bye codesharing at Narita.
Carl
09-24-2013 | 02:49 PM
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09-24-2013 | 02:51 PM
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Trying to think like your opponent is one thing, but lobbing a grenade inside your own unit's tent is quite another. When you actively propagandize for the opponent and understate the threat to your own unit, you lob that grenade.
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09-24-2013 | 03:13 PM
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In the company's point of view, they see 15 pax a day. This provision in the PWA has been there for years and it's 15 not 1500, that is reality. So when they are considering giving away something, their return on investment is viewed as 15 pax a day. That is how they view it and no amount of personal attacks on your part is going to change it. If you want their signature on a document then you have to consider what they want.
Carl
09-24-2013 | 03:16 PM
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We are through the looking glass here.
This is not Section 6. We don't have to do any of this. So we are just voluntarily giving up something in our contract that has tangible value for us in exchange for "protections" that allow the company to cut 15% of the hours we currently fly in the Pacific.
What kind of a deal is that? Its pure insanity. Only DALPA could spin this as some sort of good deal. That's not protection. That's total surrender.
I am fully aware that the situation in NRT is changing and the company no longer wants to fly 316 slots. They will lose money if they do. But so what? That is our contract. Those are our jobs. They also lose money by paying reserves a monthly guarantee. Let's get rid of that while were at it. tsquare's stock will go up.
They lose money by paying us per diem. They lose money by allowing us to have vacations. They lose money by paying us when we're sick. etc. etc. etc. If the company is hurting, then why isn't all that stuff on the table?
I don't care if we have a section in our contract that requires them to keep a 747 in standby orbit over FTB's house 24 hours a day fully loaded with breadsticks and cognac and staffed with Oregon cheerleaders.
By God, they will keep that airplane up there and if they want to get rid of that contractual requirement then they are going to have to pay me something in return. Promising to only cut 15% of our jobs is not something in return. Its an insult to my intelligence.
Our PWA is NOT open right now. To quote a famous CEO, "A contract is a contract".
Put me on the negotiating committee. I'd take an immediate 5% raise and a 100% of current block hours guarantee in exchange for those slots. Nothing less. Otherwise, bye-bye codesharing at Narita.
This is not Section 6. We don't have to do any of this. So we are just voluntarily giving up something in our contract that has tangible value for us in exchange for "protections" that allow the company to cut 15% of the hours we currently fly in the Pacific.
What kind of a deal is that? Its pure insanity. Only DALPA could spin this as some sort of good deal. That's not protection. That's total surrender.
I am fully aware that the situation in NRT is changing and the company no longer wants to fly 316 slots. They will lose money if they do. But so what? That is our contract. Those are our jobs. They also lose money by paying reserves a monthly guarantee. Let's get rid of that while were at it. tsquare's stock will go up.
They lose money by paying us per diem. They lose money by allowing us to have vacations. They lose money by paying us when we're sick. etc. etc. etc. If the company is hurting, then why isn't all that stuff on the table?
I don't care if we have a section in our contract that requires them to keep a 747 in standby orbit over FTB's house 24 hours a day fully loaded with breadsticks and cognac and staffed with Oregon cheerleaders.
By God, they will keep that airplane up there and if they want to get rid of that contractual requirement then they are going to have to pay me something in return. Promising to only cut 15% of our jobs is not something in return. Its an insult to my intelligence.
Our PWA is NOT open right now. To quote a famous CEO, "A contract is a contract".
Put me on the negotiating committee. I'd take an immediate 5% raise and a 100% of current block hours guarantee in exchange for those slots. Nothing less. Otherwise, bye-bye codesharing at Narita.
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