Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
09-25-2013 | 02:06 PM
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On reserve, schedule is marked as "FULL". Can I still pick up a greenslip?
This is 4th month this summer I've flown over guarantee (without greenslips). Six years on reserve I've never gone over guarantee once. Thank you C2012 and AVL + 15
This is 4th month this summer I've flown over guarantee (without greenslips). Six years on reserve I've never gone over guarantee once. Thank you C2012 and AVL + 15
09-25-2013 | 02:37 PM
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Check your inbox, the spin piece is out.
09-25-2013 | 02:56 PM
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America's Cup
Now, THIS is my idea of America's Cup:
09-25-2013 | 03:17 PM
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You totally avoided that question in your response. Forget about what supposedly has been done by the MEC, and these boards are nothing but a discussion anyway, we don't affect policy no matter how much you wish otherwise. Educate me on what it is that you believe protected us and could have FORCED management to keep those slots in use..... and more importantly, the follow on that would have then guaranteed that they would have been FORCED to maintain all those slots in NRT. Frankly, I don't think you can do that because the way I understand it, that language does not exist. But I'll listen.
And one last thing... without "traffic" there are no passengers.. and without them, we have no jobs. We are a DISTANT third in terms of Asian code share partners, and it is a big disadvantage for us. Why can'[t we do that flying organically? I do not know, but apparently we cannot. I think this is the first manifestation of that reason.....
I think we need a new acronym at Delta for our union. UINO (Union In Name Only).
Carl
09-25-2013 | 03:20 PM
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T,
Just my opinion, but this LOA would probably have gone no differently if DPA was in charge. This was 100% in house DALPA. I will be interested to read the various dissenting opinions between the reps.
Another opinion I have, based on SDs last letter to the troops is that no matter how much each of us is bent to think like managers, or investment grade whatevers, SD and management looks at us like children and incapable of rational managerial thought...
It was an interesting and entertaining back and forth last night, but one thing all of us can probably agree on, we were almost all completely in the dark about the details and nuance of what this LOA involved (that didn't stop us) and we argued with each other based on the standard "battle lines."
Why was this LOA which, IMO, was negotiated over a period of time done in such secrecy? Why were we not educated on the nuance by our CBA? Why was there no MEMRAT?
Are we a bunch of idiots? Do our reps view us the same as SD views us? This LOA was the perfect set up for one of those Hitler videos.
As to the leverage question, if the company comes to us, we have leverage. The amount of that leverage is the question mark.
There are a couple of things I THINK are facts.
1. This doesn't have anything to do with 15 pax/day, that number will get much larger.
2. The end result of the LOA will require fewer DAL jets to do the same job.
Just my opinion, but this LOA would probably have gone no differently if DPA was in charge. This was 100% in house DALPA. I will be interested to read the various dissenting opinions between the reps.
Another opinion I have, based on SDs last letter to the troops is that no matter how much each of us is bent to think like managers, or investment grade whatevers, SD and management looks at us like children and incapable of rational managerial thought...
It was an interesting and entertaining back and forth last night, but one thing all of us can probably agree on, we were almost all completely in the dark about the details and nuance of what this LOA involved (that didn't stop us) and we argued with each other based on the standard "battle lines."
Why was this LOA which, IMO, was negotiated over a period of time done in such secrecy? Why were we not educated on the nuance by our CBA? Why was there no MEMRAT?
Are we a bunch of idiots? Do our reps view us the same as SD views us? This LOA was the perfect set up for one of those Hitler videos.
As to the leverage question, if the company comes to us, we have leverage. The amount of that leverage is the question mark.
There are a couple of things I THINK are facts.
1. This doesn't have anything to do with 15 pax/day, that number will get much larger.
2. The end result of the LOA will require fewer DAL jets to do the same job.
Carl
09-25-2013 | 03:55 PM
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85% is now in our contract per this LOA. Will it be there next year? Who knows. Thus it's no guarantee. Forcing our company to fly unprofitably above the 85% threshold is something our pilot group will never force management to do. You must know that.
Carl
09-25-2013 | 04:00 PM
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140,000 and hopefully counting.
There are complaints on the ALPA forum about more enforcement of the TOS, and some seem to be saying that a wholesale shutdown is on its' way. No idea if any of it is true (the forum seems to be working fine), but if it is, this little oasis of underboob and (mostly) civil discussion might get run over.
On a very bad day, APC is ten times more pleasant than what the Hangar Talk has become. What felt like low points in the discourse, might be looked back upon fondly as "the good old days".
I hope this doesn't get turned into that, but if it does, and the L&G turns into a East-West style death match before it dies, I just want to say that I've enjoyed this thread with you guys very much. Who knew people would be more respectful of one another when anonymous?
Here is to hoping it stays a worthwhile place; let's not make uncle Ferd have to come in and fix this once again.
Sincerely,
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On a very bad day, APC is ten times more pleasant than what the Hangar Talk has become. What felt like low points in the discourse, might be looked back upon fondly as "the good old days".
I hope this doesn't get turned into that, but if it does, and the L&G turns into a East-West style death match before it dies, I just want to say that I've enjoyed this thread with you guys very much. Who knew people would be more respectful of one another when anonymous?
Here is to hoping it stays a worthwhile place; let's not make uncle Ferd have to come in and fix this once again.
Sincerely,
Sink r8
09-25-2013 | 04:03 PM
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316 slots per week at NRT was in our contract. Now it's not.
85% is now in our contract per this LOA. Will it be there next year? Who knows. Thus it's no guarantee. Forcing our company to fly unprofitably above the 85% threshold is something our pilot group will never force management to do. You must know that.
Carl
85% is now in our contract per this LOA. Will it be there next year? Who knows. Thus it's no guarantee. Forcing our company to fly unprofitably above the 85% threshold is something our pilot group will never force management to do. You must know that.
Carl
09-25-2013 | 04:04 PM
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I said our language protected us. It protected us by not allowing the company to slowly dismantle NRT flying and replace it with code share. It did this by requiring the company to operate 316 slots per week out of NRT or code share immediately became illegal per our contract.
Carl
Carl
09-25-2013 | 04:08 PM
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316 slots per week at NRT was in our contract. Now it's not.
85% is now in our contract per this LOA. Will it be there next year? Who knows. Thus it's no guarantee. Forcing our company to fly unprofitably above the 85% threshold is something our pilot group will never force management to do. You must know that.
Carl
85% is now in our contract per this LOA. Will it be there next year? Who knows. Thus it's no guarantee. Forcing our company to fly unprofitably above the 85% threshold is something our pilot group will never force management to do. You must know that.
Carl
Forcing the company to fly 316 slots unprofitably is something you could force them to do?
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