Originally Posted by duder (Post 1496930)

Sorry to interrupt the Tennessee love fest but is there any truth to the rumor that the 717s will be further delayed because there are no Feds to certify it do to the shutdown? Sure hope that is not the case.

Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1497017)

So there's a new airline coming out of PHF flying 734s?

Originally Posted by badflaps (Post 1497112)

Better than that, there is a wing frame AD coming up.

Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1497079)

Question for ACL,

I just read the council 20 update on the PAC loa. There were a couple comments in there that got my radar up...again.

1. Council 20 guys wanted to have this loa go out for MEMRAT, but said they were in the minority. What is the general sense among reps and MEMRAT. IMO, it was improper that this loa not be a MEMRAT loa.

Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1497079)

2. They mention an actual lack of protections except "generic" codeshare protections on the new loa and the removal of a couple of the limits on codeshare. How does this protect dal pilot jobs?

Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1497079)

3. Hub issues aside, with the questionable long term future of the 757, they were concerned about the beach market loss and outsourcing of that flying...again, how does this protect dal pilot jobs?

Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1497079)

Personally, I thought both 80s explanation of how NRT slots were the "chicken" and Alfa's explanation of how block hours were the "egg" (or vice versa) was pretty acceptable for covering the range of pacific flying, there is now apparently a significant lack of language protecting us from a flex down in pacific flying.

Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1497079)

Why the rush? (To weaken language)
Why the lack of interest in MEMRAT?

Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1497134)

I hope ACL will chime in, but from what I have heard, not many were in support of MEMRAT. My understanding is the negotiators are very busy with this, FAR 117, and the upcoming Virgin Atlantic JV. Sending this LOA would cost money from roadshow expenses, and take time away from the negotiators when they need to be focusing on taking advantage of more upcoming opportunities. That's what I heard from a Rep.




LOA #13-03 also reduces the permitted average number of passengers per flight segment on foreign air carriers from 175 to 100 on Fifth Freedom flight segments between Japan and:

The People's Republic of China (i.e., Mainland China including Hong Kong)

The Republic of China (i.e., Taiwan)

The Republic of Korea

This improvement not only covers all of the current Fifth Freedom code share cities between Japan and Asia but also adds any potential code share to mainland China. This enhancement is in addition to the existing code share protections afforded in Section 1 E. 2. a. and b., which apply to all international code shares.



How many beach flights originated from NRT?



The 316 slots resulted in 116,400 block hours, or 54% of the Pacific flying block hours.

Section 1 E. 2. e. has been added, to now read:

e. passenger seats on any Fifth Freedom flight segment between Japan and Asian cities beyond Japan unless the Company scheduled during the previous rolling 12 month period, measured at the end of each calendar quarter starting December 31st, 2013, the greater of: 1) 182,750 aircraft block hours of Pacific flying, or

2) 85 percent of the total aircraft block hours of Pacific flying in the previous measurement period. Note: The Company will be excused from compliance with this provision in the event a circumstance over which the Company does not have control is the cause of such non-compliance.



Simply in the interest of debate, how was the language weakened? I see higher protections, with the protection expanding from just NRT to outside of NRT and into China as well. Considering the nuclear situation in Japan, and the forecasted increase in traffic for Asia in general, it looks like a very good move to me.

Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1497156)

J29,

My use of the word weaken was a paraphrase of how the council 20 letter read. Just my own choice of words for brevity, deferring to guys more in the know than me.

Originally Posted by badflaps (Post 1497112)

Better than that, there is a wing frame AD coming up.

Originally Posted by newKnow (Post 1497182)

Uh oh. More of a delay, or is it a quick fix or inspection type of thing?