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cni187 10-22-2013 01:06 PM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1506078)
Crew Resources actually told us they would NOT backfill anyone bidding to the M88 on this AE.

That being said, the company has in the past stated they planned to park 31-36 757s by the end of 2015. This was stated this past June.

I'm just glad they're not displacing anymore off the ER!!!!

trlaketige 10-22-2013 01:14 PM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1506078)
Crew Resources actually told us they would NOT backfill anyone bidding to the M88 on this AE.

That being said, the company has in the past stated they planned to park 31-36 757s by the end of 2015. This was stated this past June.


According to the DTW flt ops show, parking 70 757's by 2015.

tr

johnso29 10-22-2013 01:21 PM


Originally Posted by Roadkill (Post 1506099)
johnso, you're exactly the guy I was thinking about when I said "unable to break the two events apart from the data stream."

There are numerous actions going on here, each one results in a gain or loss in "required new pilots". You look at the total, see that it's positive, and discount anyone's concerns that it should or could have been higher.

If we are unwilling to look at the results of individual changes to the contract, and analyze how each change actually affected us, we will never be able to form a basis for understanding and valuing contract tweaks and changes in the future. Your attitude quells discussion of these individual results, and does not serve us well in being informed decision makers in the future.

I agree. Let's look at some other things.


Originally Posted by Roadkill (Post 1506099)
-- retirements, should result in a 1 for one new hiring replacement in a stable non-shrinking pilot pool.

Should they? What if a pilot group is overstaffed as a result of a merger? Now Delta is understaffed. Or perhaps not understaffed, but preparing for planned growth that is about to occur. Add in retirements, and they need to get ahead of the curve.


Originally Posted by Roadkill (Post 1506099)
All results different than this MUST be allocated to gains from various changes (717) or losses from recognized or unrecognized workrule and productivity "losses" to the pilots.

--717 acquisition, results in net gain of pilots

Hence why Delta is hiring.


Originally Posted by Roadkill (Post 1506099)
--7ER retirements... Constantly being blamed for our contraction, but in fact the company has said numerous times that the 737-900 acquisition would be capacity neutral due to 7ER retirements. Filed this statement with the SEC many times. Not shrinking, not growing, neutral. ANY observed differences in pilot manning that can be attributed to 7ER factors that are NOT balanced by other gains (capacity neutral), should be analyzed and discussed to isolate where the differences originate, and if in fact we are seeing changes NOT offset by 900s and 88s gained that result in capacity neutral.

When management is speaking to the investment world and media, the phrase "capacity neutral" includes regional capacity. Also, we aren't contracting. We are hiring. We are increasing our block hours.


Originally Posted by Roadkill (Post 1506099)
-- 900s, not a pilot manning gainer according to company unless you're ignoring all their filings and investor meetings.

How so? Capacity neutral doesn't seal the deal on no growth. If you park 2.75 50 seaters and take delivery of 1 737-900ER, is that not roughly capacity neutral?


Originally Posted by Roadkill (Post 1506099)
--M88 additions, should be positive to some extent

They are. Which is why the fleet is extremely short from a staffing standpoint, and why GS awards were flowing like candy this past summer. It's also why we just had an AE with only M88 vacancies.



Originally Posted by Roadkill (Post 1506099)
-- 31 day to 30 day changes in critical "limiting factor" months of Jul and Aug, results in 3.3% productivity gain in those critical months, or 3.3% reduced pilot needs in those critical manning-driving months

-- ALV+15, results in some reduced # of pilots required due to reserves being able/allowed to be flown to approx 100 hours if needed by company vs. only 68 previously, during peak months. Allows company to man reserves for LOW months and bump UP in peak months, vs. man for peak months and have extra dudes for low months.

The more reserves are utilized, the numbers of reserves required increases. They may get away with it to a point, but I haven't seen any data to prove its occurring company wide. The M88 fleet was abused this past summer. But NBs fleets always get abused in peak months when a company needs to hire.


Originally Posted by Roadkill (Post 1506099)
Net loss of pilots, exact number UNKNOWN... Can ONLY be figured out if we're willing to look at the data and not attack our own fellows who don't immediately cheer "It's a net positive overall!"

Which is why Delta is hiring?

And how did I attack you? I simply stated the reason why slots weren't back filled. And it's not a surprise as Crew Resources told us they would not back fill anyone on this AE. The entire point of this AE(which was stated by Crew Resources) was to staff the M88 fleet in time for 3/2014 which will see the M88 fly as many block hours as it will in the summer.

johnso29 10-22-2013 01:23 PM


Originally Posted by trlaketige (Post 1506104)
According to the DTW flt ops show, parking 70 757's by 2015.

tr

I have heard that as well. The numbers I gave were from info divulged this past summer. Even more reason why 7ER FO slots won't be back filled.

Roadkill 10-22-2013 01:25 PM


Originally Posted by trlaketige (Post 1506104)
According to the DTW flt ops show, parking 70 757's by 2015.

tr

Wow that's a lot. Ok, positive view then: that by itself SHOULD result in massive thrash and downward movement for all... but we're not seeing it, we're staying stable and the company says they plan on not displacing but letting natural attrition do the work. That's a good thing!

We're mostly stable, and hiring is kicking in with new-hires soon to join the bottom of the list, which should hopefully begin to move us all upwards, something hopeful to look forward to. Another good thing!

Thanks for the good reading johnso, it killed some time waiting for a flight. But really, you didn't like the fable? Come on man, give it up! ;)

johnso29 10-22-2013 01:31 PM


Originally Posted by Roadkill (Post 1506111)
Wow that's a lot. Ok, positive view then: that by itself SHOULD result in massive thrash and downward movement for all... but we're not seeing it, we're staying stable and the company says they plan on not displacing but letting natural attrition do the work. That's a good thing!

We're mostly stable, and hiring is kicking in with new-hires soon to join the bottom of the list, which should hopefully begin to move us all upwards, something hopeful to look forward to. Another good thing!

Thanks for the good reading johnso, it killed some time waiting for a flight. But really, you didn't like the fable? Come on man, give it up! ;)


I still have to read the fable. But I'm sure it'll deserve two thumbs up.

It was great! Except the ending. :mad: No way would we have hung you.

We would've shared Jack Daniels with you, & went after Vol cheerleaders. At least that's what Tsquare would've encouraged. :D

Foulwx 10-22-2013 01:31 PM


Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1505851)
Does anybody know what the line item "Med Surtax" on our 10/15 paycheck is?

Just what it says unfortunately... Medicare surtax. I've been hit with hit for a few paychecks. For us "high" wage earners. I think it's 0.9% over 200k.

caddis 10-22-2013 03:12 PM


Originally Posted by trlaketige (Post 1506104)
According to the DTW flt ops show, parking 70 757's by 2015.

tr

According to the MSP show that is how many are due their heavy checks. They will be parked or given the heavy checks dependent upon the economy.

The airplanes being parked is a moving target. I have heard the DC-9s were going to be parked since 1999. That being said I am with T Square and think we need to do something about our "size matters" pay scales. The 737-900 will be replacing X number of 757s and a flatter pay scale would be nice.

JobHopper 10-22-2013 04:08 PM


Originally Posted by Foulwx (Post 1506114)
Just what it says unfortunately... Medicare surtax. I've been hit with hit for a few paychecks. For us "high" wage earners. I think it's 0.9% over 200k.

A sign of things to come. Somebody will have to pay for the ever expanding medical system and we already can't afford Medicare, which loses money every year.

tsquare 10-22-2013 04:18 PM


Originally Posted by Foulwx (Post 1506114)
Just what it says unfortunately... Medicare surtax. I've been hit with hit for a few paychecks. For us "high" wage earners. I think it's 0.9% over 200k.

Yeah I found out that it is a Zerocare mandate that companies take it out as if everyone is single. If you don't cross the married/joint threshhold, you get a refund... without interest of course. The hits just keep coming with this law...


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