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11-17-2013 | 09:08 AM

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tsquare

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Originally Posted by TheManager

Ok T. You are head coach of ALPA. We are up against highly funded lobbyists seeking cabotage. It looks like they are obtaining the votes and the politicians need to win the game. It's the 4th quarter,

What play are we going to run coach?

I would keep talking. I would keep my contacts open and available in the best way I could. Dino has done a pretty good job in the legislative affairs office, and I would keep that going. He gets access because of the ALPA affiliation. (You think it is in our best interest to chop of that line of communication?) Or do you think that CAPA... or more to the point - the DPA - can get that same level of access? Look, I hate the national politicians with a passion. Bribing them to do their ****ing jobs is as distasteful to me as it would be to see the Gators win the national championship. (I would pull for the Taliban over FU).. But what other choice do we have? You want to close up shop to save a few bucks on dues money? That is a guaranteed loss.

11-17-2013 | 09:19 AM

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Carl Spackler

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Originally Posted by finis72

Think about what you are saying and then go back and compare contracts for the past 30 years and I'll bet you the DALPA contracts are at the top of the industry.

That's because you only compare rates of pay. I did the same thing after our merger thinking I was going to see a nice pay bump. I was unpleasantly surprised to see my W2 a lot lower than with NWA. It took almost 3 years post merger to equal my last W2 at NWA. This is where work rules come in. So no, I don't think you ever really led the industry. Neither did NWA.

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Originally Posted by finis72

You said you've been through 2 strikes and I really do respect you for that, however, we were able to get at least equal and most time better contracts than you got.

With respect, I don't think you were able to get a better contract. You might have thought so looking only at pay rates, but not actual compensation...and definitely not scope. Delta has nearly led the industry on outsourcing pilot jobs for a long time.

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Different companies and managements require different strategies. You and I both got to the same place through different paths but for you to cast dispersion on the way us southies got there is just wrong.

Again, I don't think you got to the same place, but I know you believe you did. And I'm not casting aspersions on you southies...nor dispersions either.

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Originally Posted by finis72

We have always had a 10% to 15% group that hated DALPA for real and imagined reasons and back before agency shop most of them were just cheap and they used their "reasons" as justification. Funny how the membership number changed after agency shop.

This actually gets to the heart of the matter. I agree with that percentage. In my experience with other unionized airlines, that's a very high number. How did that happen? Was it a coincidence? Was it screening? It's the question I'm asking myself.

Carl

11-17-2013 | 09:21 AM

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TOGA LK

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Originally Posted by Starcheck102

Nothing good happens to a sheep.

If you don't contact your congressmen and senators over H.R. 3488, then you deserve to get treated like one.

Didn't HR 3488 die?

11-17-2013 | 09:32 AM

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tsquare

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Originally Posted by TOGA LK

Didn't HR 3488 die?

Yeah I am all confused about that reference too.... I wonder what bill he WAS talking about.

11-17-2013 | 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by tsquare

Yeah I am all confused about that reference too.... I wonder what bill he WAS talking about.

Replaced by HR 528 which has a 3% probability of passing. The reality is ALPA cannot compete with Boeing and the ME carriers when it comes to buying these dirt bags off.

11-17-2013 | 09:50 AM

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Carl Spackler

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Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver

Excellent post, GG. Excellent! One of the best posts (if not THE best) I've ever seen on this board.

Thanks for taking the time to write that!

Agreed. Great post GG.

Carl

11-17-2013 | 09:53 AM

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tomgoodman

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Originally Posted by tsquare

I almost forgot that most DAL pilots were hired because they would never, ever consider striking against mother Delta.

Actually, Delta wanted belligerent pilots who would strike over a flat tire, but another carrier had already hired them.

11-17-2013 | 09:55 AM

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Carl Spackler

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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar

It was a good post.

Same invitation to you, what is your Contract 2015 proposal?

... and please publish your opener, counter proposals, and what you'll settle for ... or are all of these the exact same number?

For argument's sake, I'll publish mine .... "My Negotiating Committee speaks for me, I have given them my authorization to call a strike understanding that this is in effect handing them my resignation to use as they see fit if management is unwilling to reach a deal."

I'll publish mine:

A pilot contract that leads the airline industry in every measurable metric. Even if only by a small margin, but Delta pilots must lead it. Why? Because Delta leads the industry financially and operationally. Why is that? Because of pilot sacrifices and pilot operational excellence.

Carl

11-17-2013 | 09:57 AM

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Carl Spackler

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Originally Posted by tomgoodman

Actually, Delta wanted belligerent pilots who would strike over a flat tire, but another carrier had already hired them.

Now THAT is funny!

Carl

11-17-2013 | 10:00 AM

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Dorfman

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Originally Posted by NERD

Carl, when were you hired at Nwa? Not specific class date but range. 79-81 or 83-85 timeframe? Also, were you part of the terrible 20(Tanksley's lawsuit)in any form? Active participant, silent contributor, etc).

Carl,

I am with NERD, I am wondering if you were part of the Tanksley lawsuit on any form?