Anyone know what the "erroneous FAR violations" are that crew scheduling is robocalling about?

 

Thanks Carl.

 

No you're not. You are pizzed that you got caught in a blatant defamation of your fellow pilots before you could hit the delete key, and now you cannot backstroke fast enough to get your butt out of it. Own it big man.... it exists, and you said it. I didn't even have to read between the lines or insinuate anything. You want respect, just apologize and we'll move on. Until you do, it will be on my tag line to remind everyone what your game is all about.

Division... it's not just for math class anymore.

 

Just to be accurate Dasburg did not leave NWA until 2001 to become CEO. I remember flying that day and getting the ACARS saying he was leaving.

As to your other point the strike did have long term benefits and was well done by all the NWA pilots.

 

Backstroke? I meant and mean every word I said. Not the words you've said, the words I've said.

I own every word I said.

That's all you've done is insinuate and mischaracterize. But don't change now tsquare...keep at it.

If I ever felt respect from you, I'd be worried.

Carl

 

Carl, you are one amazing man. You obviously know how to use the quote button, but when it is YOUR name inside those quotes, somehow it doesn't apply.

Keep it up, you're doing wonders for your cause.

 

It'll be interesting to see if you ever figure out a way to make any of my quotes match what you allege.

Carl - "you are one amazing man" - tsquare

 

OK, I will.

Yes, the B scale went away and we did get a pay raise. Everyone remembers that. What nobody seems to remember is that those were part of the Pre-Strike contract.

The big sticking point in that 1998 contract was NEWCO. The company wanted to "be able to create" a subsidiary to outsource flying (sound familiar?) and we didn't want to let them. The strike ultimately ended after a few weeks on a Wednesday with the NEWCO provision approved. The following Monday morning NWA announced the creation of Compass.

As a B-scale, still-on-probation DC-9 FO, I followed all of this with great interest. I technically wasn't even guaranteed a job after it was over, though the union did promise to bring everyone back. The only material difference between the pre- and post-strike contracts was a small pay raise above the pre-strike figure. I don't remember the exact number for me (it was around $1), but I do remember calculating it would take 3 years for that raise to recoup the salary I lost during the strike.

There is a lot of ego and testosterone tied to that strike even today. "We showed them who was boss!" Unfortunately, I have to disagree. All of the material gains in that contract were there pre-strike. And there were quite a few of those; the Negotiating Committee did a far better job than we recently saw here.

The strike made sense to me going into it; it left me scratching my head after it was over. We got a 3-years-to-recovery pay raise and the company got outsourcing when all was said and done. The strike itself accomplished very little, in my humble opinion.

 

Technically, it wasn't a strike, it was a lock out.

Compass had nothing to so with the 1998 contract. Compass didn't appear until the bankruptcy contract some years later.

The result of the work action was indeed the end of the B scale."Large RJs" were limited to 32 Avros, locked in by serial number. Small RJs were numerous, but seat limited to 44 seats.

Nu

 

It's always puzzling to read stuff like this. You start out by saying the strike got rid of the B scale and secured pay raises, then you go on to dismiss it. The B scale didn't affect 95% of the pilots...only pilots like you. Yet we all voted to strike, then struck. We didn't return to work until management agreed to end the B scale.

While you're busy scratching your head over what was accomplished, you could have been on a permanent B scale without it.

Carl