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Old 12-01-2013 | 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
Yep, that!

I wonder if/when the food finally showed up to the place where the greatest pilots in the world walk through the door?

(I'm all about having a healthy amount of Delta pride, but that sign does make me roll my eyes a bit)
They might be partial to take it down when contract negotiations roll around again.
Old 12-01-2013 | 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
Now I know why they put the sign on the door in JFK ops. You're based there.

But it says "pilots," not pilot. There can only be one newK!

That sign make me smile, too. Maybe we could throw a NewK poster on the door. That will make the place even livelier.
Old 12-01-2013 | 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by GunshipGuy
Good example: A carrier battle group. The carrier exists to take care of the fighters that take care of the ships around the carrier, which in turn take care of the carrier.

GG,

Bad example. I can't tell by your post but assume that you are joking. A self licking ice-cream cone is something that serves no useful purpose other than self sustainment. Besides the carrier does not exist to take care of the fighters.

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Old 12-02-2013 | 02:15 AM
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Originally Posted by dalad
Good catch. I've paid $5111.79.$272,920 so far, money well spent.
I'm barely over $4000 in dues so far this year, and I feel like I'm working too much.

If we were to go back to the old system of a pay cap, I wonder how many pilots Delta would need to hire. I bet it would be over a thousand.

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Old 12-02-2013 | 03:06 AM
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Originally Posted by CVG767A
I'm barely over $4000 in dues so far this year, and I feel like I'm working too much.

If we were to go back to the old system of a pay cap, I wonder how many pilots Delta would need to hire. I bet it would be over a thousand.
If...as DALPA claims, the new average is 92 hours per month, that is 22% more, per line pilot, than back when we had a 75 hour pay cap.

So, yeah, they would have to hire 22% more pilots, or find another way to make reserves fly more, etc. if we went back to a hard cap of75 hours.

The past 5 years of stagnation is not totally due to age 65. The stagnation was also due to death of the hard 75 hour pay cap.
Old 12-02-2013 | 03:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Warthog37
I just heard it from a captain. Take it or leave IMHO.



Oh, do you have the link? That sounds AWESOME :P



As I have read, Delta mostly does hiring from the inside. I'm new to the airline stats and how they work :/

Exp: PPL w/ Instrument :P

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I just returned from 88 recurrent. The word at Mecca is 600 hires next year; most if not all will be placed on the 88 initially.

Take it for what it's worth as the training dept. is notoriously rampant with rumors.

My question is: where are are all the current 88 folks going to flow? With little growth on the international side of the house where are we projecting to go?
Old 12-02-2013 | 03:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Timbo
If...as DALPA claims, the new average is 92 hours per month, that is 22% more, per line pilot, than back when we had a 75 hour pay cap.

So, yeah, they would have to hire 22% more pilots, or find another way to make reserves fly more, etc. if we went back to a hard cap of75 hours.

The past 5 years of stagnation is not totally due to age 65. The stagnation was also due to death of the hard 75 hour pay cap.
The only time we had a hard 75 hour cap was with pilots on furlough. We had a flex up to 82 hours at the time. Reserve paid 70-77 hours based on the cap.
Old 12-02-2013 | 03:44 AM
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Originally Posted by dalad
The only time we had a hard 75 hour cap was with pilots on furlough. We had a flex up to 82 hours at the time. Reserve paid 70-77 hours based on the cap.
I'm pretty sure (but it was a long time ago) that when I was hired (1985) the cap was 75, all year. I think the flex up to 82 came along later, maybe 1991 or 1996? We also had bow wave and spill back to handle the over/under, but the only way you got paid more than 75 was with a greenslip.

Oh, and we had about 30% of every category on reserve before PBS. We are down to less than 20% now. That also helped stagnation, as more pilots are flying more time, and can pick up to ALV +15, obviously we need fewer pilots.
Old 12-02-2013 | 03:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Timbo
I'm pretty sure (but it was a long time ago) that when I was hired (1985) the cap was 75, all year. I think the flex up to 82 came along later, maybe 1991 or 1996? We also had bow wave and spill back to handle the over/under, but the only way you got paid more than 75 was with a greenslip.

Oh, and we had about 30% of every category on reserve before PBS. We are down to less than 20% now. That also helped stagnation, as more pilots are flying more time, and can pick up to ALV +15, obviously we need fewer pilots.
You are correct sir. PBS was intended to only have 10% on reserve when it was initially proposed. The company intended to cover shortages with white and green slips. They appear to be working toward that with the MD-88 and A320. I have a friend in the right seat of the 777, hired in early 88, who is going to gross well over 300k this year.
Old 12-02-2013 | 04:08 AM
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Originally Posted by dalad
You are correct sir. PBS was intended to only have 10% on reserve when it was initially proposed. The company intended to cover shortages with white and green slips. They appear to be working toward that with the MD-88 and A320. I have a friend in the right seat of the 777, hired in early 88, who is going to gross well over 300k this year.
I won't make that myself this year, but I have been thinking about bidding right seat on it, just so I can be Number 1 in something! The problem with that is, you have to fly a lot of greenslips as a senior F/O, to break $300K, and 38% of that is going straight to Uncle Sam, and my other problem with greenslips is, you have to show up and fly them!

I prefer to stay home and go sailing on my off days, rather than rush to the airport for yet another 5-8 day trip.
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