Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
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From: SLC ERB
That appears to be in conflict with the requirements under Section 23.S.1 -
[A Reserve pilot will - ]
be required to check his schedule via DBMS or VRU:
1) after block-in of the last flight segment of his rotation prior to his release (see Section 12 G. 13. – 14.), and
2) no later than 0200 base time on his first on-call day following a non-fly day, so as to be able to acknowledge:
a) any assignment no later than three hours before a scheduled report of the rotation or start of a short call period, or
b) the start of a rest period.
Exception one: If such last non-fly day ends at a time other than 2400, the pilot will check his schedule no later than two hours after the end of such non-fly day. Exception two: For purposes of Section 23 S 1. d. 2), a non-fly day will not include a day on which the pilot is on vacation.
[A Reserve pilot will - ]
be required to check his schedule via DBMS or VRU:
1) after block-in of the last flight segment of his rotation prior to his release (see Section 12 G. 13. – 14.), and
2) no later than 0200 base time on his first on-call day following a non-fly day, so as to be able to acknowledge:
a) any assignment no later than three hours before a scheduled report of the rotation or start of a short call period, or
b) the start of a rest period.
Exception one: If such last non-fly day ends at a time other than 2400, the pilot will check his schedule no later than two hours after the end of such non-fly day. Exception two: For purposes of Section 23 S 1. d. 2), a non-fly day will not include a day on which the pilot is on vacation.
This contractual disconnect could be a MAJOR problem going forward with a bunch of pilots possibly being caught in the crossfire. SD's letter is not mandatory reading. I'm sure there are tons of guys out there who have been on reserve for years and who feel that they completely understand the nuances of their contractual requirements. If they didn't get/read/understand SD's email they could get burned.
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From: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler
Andoid is just a Linux distro.
Linux is secure enough to operate the International Space Station and is the basis for most (if not all) of the military use secure network infrastructure except for some that runs wild stuff like Intel iAPX 432. A big topic of conversation among security experts at the moment is whether any new hardware is secure. There is a lot of paranoia about the largest spying agency of them all, the US Government, having exploits that become systemic vulnerabilities once bad guys figure out how to employ them. That whole conversation goes over my head very quickly and I'm not sure the US Government could have people forcing chip makers to install vulnerabilities ... but then again, if someone had told me in the late 1960's that the US Government cared about who Martin Luther King got blow jobs from, I'd have thought them a bit nuts.
Anyway, anything is more secure than a Delta jet full of $10 an hour non english speaking outsourced employees with questionable credentials. If they can steal the candy (FA treats) out of my zipped shut bag down in my FO cubby hole, there isn't anything on that jet which is all that secure.
If it were me, I'd care less about EFB security and just build the thing so it was a push device with no PHP access back into the servers on the operations side. Use a screen with revision dates and let pilots verify, just as we do now. Delta's wanting to make this thing a lot more complicated than it need be to sell upper level management on the concept that it is not a "toy." Meanwhile, we build a 45 function Swiss Army Knife out of Unobtanium (which RT on ARM will be) when a butter knife is sufficient for buttering our bread.
Just my opinion and I'm uneducated on the status of the EFB program. Can't recall who posted that was working on the device. I'd would love to hear their opinion of MS's funeral notices for RT.
Frankly, something like this could do the job very cheaply and effectively. Good alternative to a cloud based software distribution. With this, the distribution gets a lot easier. Then it's just as easy as an enhanced BYOD.
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From: SLC ERB
Again, they are leaning on the "able to report" requirement (also contractual). Being "able to report" includes, among other things, that you are legal to report. By not acknowledging an assignment outside the 10 hour window, YOU are making yourself illegal for the rotation - and therefore, "unable to report." That puts you in violation of the contract. They don't have to unilaterally change the contract to REQUIRE a 2 hour acknowledgment window - the "able to report" clause along with FAR 117 requirements, takes care of it for them.
And, yes, I did change my tune from some of my earlier posts. I'm not sure we have the leverage that I once thought - but I really, really hope I'm wrong.
They obviously believe that ALPA agreed with them that reserves have 18 days on call, with 2 different "leashes". The new regs could result in reserves having less than 18 days on call.
If we agreed to 18 days, we should work with them to come up with a notification requirement that eliminates the contractual disconnects you mention. If we believe this is a huge windfall, and reserves should be able to shave off 3-4 days of on call because of the new regs, then the flt operations policy will lead us to an arbitration that we might win or lose, depending on how an arbitrator reads the contractual disconnects you mention.
I don't use much sick leave (knock on wood) and none since the new contract. Is the harassment really that prevalent or is this more of a forum phenomenon?
That would be true if you could fly any of those turns in 9 hours. There will be a few in the Caribbean that can be flown in 8:30. Probably only 2 or 3 max perhaps less. The company is using a 30 minute buffer. In JFK as a example there is a turn next month at 8:57. It is however doubled crewed to avoid the new hard time restriction.
On the domestic side there will be no turns. I am amazed at how often this keeps getting posted by experienced pilots. Simply go look at the block times from any East coast destination to the west coast.
JFK-LAX is just under 12 hours
JFK-SFO is over 12 hours
JFK-SLC over 10 hours
ATL-LAX is over 9 hours
There will not be any East Coast to West Coast turns. 9 hours does not allow for it. There might be some turns from DTW however even then I suspect you wont see it often. When you build trips if you pull the long legs out for turns it becomes very difficult to build the rest of the trips without increasing credit time. You could as a example build a ATL to Vegas turn. Its just a minute or two under 8:30. If you take those legs out of the trip mix for turns you more then likely see a increase in credit on other trips. You also run the risk of the crew going 32 minutes over on the first leg and having to cancel the 2nd leg. The whole oh my god we will be flying giant turns is much ado about nothing!
Even if they could fly all those cities as turns it has no effect on manning. Again this seems to be a urban legend. If you fly a 4 day trip doing transcon there is normally no credit in the trip. It takes the exact same number of pilots to fly it as a 4 day or as 2 turns. Manning is very simply. Block hours plus credit hours equals manning. Turns will have no impact on the block hour number and the long legged trips generally have no credit hence no change in manning.
On the domestic side there will be no turns. I am amazed at how often this keeps getting posted by experienced pilots. Simply go look at the block times from any East coast destination to the west coast.
JFK-LAX is just under 12 hours
JFK-SFO is over 12 hours
JFK-SLC over 10 hours
ATL-LAX is over 9 hours
There will not be any East Coast to West Coast turns. 9 hours does not allow for it. There might be some turns from DTW however even then I suspect you wont see it often. When you build trips if you pull the long legs out for turns it becomes very difficult to build the rest of the trips without increasing credit time. You could as a example build a ATL to Vegas turn. Its just a minute or two under 8:30. If you take those legs out of the trip mix for turns you more then likely see a increase in credit on other trips. You also run the risk of the crew going 32 minutes over on the first leg and having to cancel the 2nd leg. The whole oh my god we will be flying giant turns is much ado about nothing!
Even if they could fly all those cities as turns it has no effect on manning. Again this seems to be a urban legend. If you fly a 4 day trip doing transcon there is normally no credit in the trip. It takes the exact same number of pilots to fly it as a 4 day or as 2 turns. Manning is very simply. Block hours plus credit hours equals manning. Turns will have no impact on the block hour number and the long legged trips generally have no credit hence no change in manning.
Far west coast is out of the question still out of Atl,but it opens up a lot of the Caribbean and Central America that was once double crewed... As well as longer 3 and 4 leg days.
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Imho The only real way to sharpshoot on your last off day prior to reserve day is to do your sked check as close to 1500 as you can, and remember that you have no further obligation to check you schedule or be contactable for the rest of the day. At 12:01, they can assign you a trip or SC, and if legal (per fars and contract), you are obligated. That part has always been that way. We will see what happnes in the future.
You may want to get in the habit of taking a screen shot or printing your schedule when you do your check.
There are times when they will call after you have done your sked check on your last day off to try and change what you had (LC to trip, SC to trip, etc,). A fishing expedition to see if they can get someone/or someone wants to acknowledge and report for something they would not have had to per their original assignment. There are times when they are indeed just giving you a heads up so that you don't have to be disturbed at 12 in the morning if you don't want to, but sometimes it is the fishing expedition.
That is an exaggeration, and you know it.
The company is LITERALLY working within the overly vague confines of the contract on this. How is that an exaggeration?
That is incorrect.
Is it? Then please tell me exactly what DALPA is doing for the pilots being denied sick leave and being put on Administrative Leave besides telling them over the phone to just go back to the Doctor?
Who gives the CP the list? ALPA, or an over zealous manager on the 4th floor? Why should a CP's complaint about stupid things they are forced to do be a concern of ours?
Because DALPA insisted that this wouldn't be a problem, and that so few pilots would ever even be affected. Now it seems, that isn't the case at all. Big surprise.
Are you suggesting that each pilot has no say or accountability in their sick calls? Really? ALPA doesn't issue our Medicals. The FAA does. If you don't meet the medical requirements, call in sick. If Delta won't pay you for it, contact ALPA. Unless you are suggesting that no employee has ever called in sick when they weren't actually sick, then perhaps this would be a good time to acknowledge that employers have the right to verify some sick call occurrences - at this airline, and at others.
"Some employers"... sure. How about...McDonalds. You sound like you fully support going after the pilots who call in sick, just to make sure you catch the few who, in your opinion aren't sick. People with your sort of opinion are the problem, not the guys calling in sick. We are airline pilots. Need I remind you of what you are signing on the flight release? How about we pay our pilots sick time and if they don't use it, pay it out. Problem solved. Giving the company a contract section wide enough to drive a truckload of Benadryl through is not the answer.
Can you post which FAR guarantees our pay when we call in sick? If Delta is making you fly after you tell them you are sick, that might be a good time to call the FAA. But if you believe you should be calling the FAA because Delta is making you verify a sick call, or because Delta is not paying you for sick time, you might not fully understand the FAA's role in this.
The FAA prohibits airlines from coercing pilots to fly sick. Threatening administrative leave, docking pay, and engaging in paper chases with doctors and administrators sounds an awfully lot like just that. If I were one of those guys, I'd make sure the FAA had my name on file just in case that I decided one day that my sore throat and stuffy nose wasn't bad enough to justify the harassment I'd be given for calling in sick, in the event something happened on the line.
The company is LITERALLY working within the overly vague confines of the contract on this. How is that an exaggeration?
That is incorrect.
Is it? Then please tell me exactly what DALPA is doing for the pilots being denied sick leave and being put on Administrative Leave besides telling them over the phone to just go back to the Doctor?
Who gives the CP the list? ALPA, or an over zealous manager on the 4th floor? Why should a CP's complaint about stupid things they are forced to do be a concern of ours?
Because DALPA insisted that this wouldn't be a problem, and that so few pilots would ever even be affected. Now it seems, that isn't the case at all. Big surprise.
Are you suggesting that each pilot has no say or accountability in their sick calls? Really? ALPA doesn't issue our Medicals. The FAA does. If you don't meet the medical requirements, call in sick. If Delta won't pay you for it, contact ALPA. Unless you are suggesting that no employee has ever called in sick when they weren't actually sick, then perhaps this would be a good time to acknowledge that employers have the right to verify some sick call occurrences - at this airline, and at others.
"Some employers"... sure. How about...McDonalds. You sound like you fully support going after the pilots who call in sick, just to make sure you catch the few who, in your opinion aren't sick. People with your sort of opinion are the problem, not the guys calling in sick. We are airline pilots. Need I remind you of what you are signing on the flight release? How about we pay our pilots sick time and if they don't use it, pay it out. Problem solved. Giving the company a contract section wide enough to drive a truckload of Benadryl through is not the answer.
Can you post which FAR guarantees our pay when we call in sick? If Delta is making you fly after you tell them you are sick, that might be a good time to call the FAA. But if you believe you should be calling the FAA because Delta is making you verify a sick call, or because Delta is not paying you for sick time, you might not fully understand the FAA's role in this.
The FAA prohibits airlines from coercing pilots to fly sick. Threatening administrative leave, docking pay, and engaging in paper chases with doctors and administrators sounds an awfully lot like just that. If I were one of those guys, I'd make sure the FAA had my name on file just in case that I decided one day that my sore throat and stuffy nose wasn't bad enough to justify the harassment I'd be given for calling in sick, in the event something happened on the line.
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