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Verifying sick calls reminds me of being at a regional.
At my particular regional they got very nasty about it. I flew with a Captain who surpassed the 4 allowable sick calls in a year mark and was put on termination warning. The only problem was he was hospitalized with a chronic condition and all the paperwork was in but someone missed it. Anyways, they called him to HQ for a big beat down meeting, he got a labor lawyer, they weren't ready for that one. The end result was a lawsuit for harassment.
Helps when a friend of the family is a labor lawyer.
At my particular regional they got very nasty about it. I flew with a Captain who surpassed the 4 allowable sick calls in a year mark and was put on termination warning. The only problem was he was hospitalized with a chronic condition and all the paperwork was in but someone missed it. Anyways, they called him to HQ for a big beat down meeting, he got a labor lawyer, they weren't ready for that one. The end result was a lawsuit for harassment.
Helps when a friend of the family is a labor lawyer.
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I think you're looking at the wrong aspect of the rule you cite...
The 3-hour prior notification is a result of a rolling 9-hour response time to a notification from scheduling, from When Scheduling Calls:
[...]
This is a legal interpretation of our PWA as provided by the MEC.
At times the PWA and the FARS can be more restrictive, this occurs throughout the PWA in just about any section.
If our current PWA gives us a 9-hour response time to acknowledge a call from scheduling, there is nothing in 117 that precludes that 9-hour response time.
The company is attempting to redefine the response time as 2-hour when on long-call but that is clearly contradictory to the PWA and the guidance provided in WSC.
It is inconvenient for scheduling to have to provide 19 hours notice to a long call pilot but that is the result of the restrictions in the PWA (9 hours to respond/schedule check) and the restrictions in FAR 117 (10 hours rest prior to a report).
At any rate an email memo from a Delta SVP can't change our contract.
In reality Delta holds an even larger competitive advantage vs our peers because as Mgmt has pointed out much of what is in 117 matches our current PWA whereas some of our competitive set are being forced to adjust their staffing/scheduling to comply with the new FARs.
The 3-hour prior notification is a result of a rolling 9-hour response time to a notification from scheduling, from When Scheduling Calls:
[...]
This is a legal interpretation of our PWA as provided by the MEC.
At times the PWA and the FARS can be more restrictive, this occurs throughout the PWA in just about any section.
If our current PWA gives us a 9-hour response time to acknowledge a call from scheduling, there is nothing in 117 that precludes that 9-hour response time.
The company is attempting to redefine the response time as 2-hour when on long-call but that is clearly contradictory to the PWA and the guidance provided in WSC.
It is inconvenient for scheduling to have to provide 19 hours notice to a long call pilot but that is the result of the restrictions in the PWA (9 hours to respond/schedule check) and the restrictions in FAR 117 (10 hours rest prior to a report).
At any rate an email memo from a Delta SVP can't change our contract.
In reality Delta holds an even larger competitive advantage vs our peers because as Mgmt has pointed out much of what is in 117 matches our current PWA whereas some of our competitive set are being forced to adjust their staffing/scheduling to comply with the new FARs.
Take a look at 23.S.5.a. What do you think it means?
Take a look at 23.S.5.g.2.b. I think that's the section which lets you acknowledge up to 3 hours prior to show.
Now, look just above, at 23.S.5.g.2.a, and again at 23.S.5.a, and tell me how they work together.
Does the company have the right, currently, to expect you to answer your phone anytime (which would be a big surprise to all of us)? Who chooses whether the assignment and acknowledgment take place electronically, or via phone?
Newk, 36-14?
Nice.
Nice.
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I think I just blew out most of my brain on this 117 Reserve acknowledgment issue. And it's just the tip of the iceberg.
I'll try to lurk and better understand the issues.
I'll try to lurk and better understand the issues.
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Thanks, George. I can't cut-and-paste it, but I was looking at the actual contract language.
Take a look at 23.S.5.a. What do you think it means?
Take a look at 23.S.5.g.2.b. I think that's the section which lets you acknowledge up to 3 hours prior to show.
Now, look just above, at 23.S.5.g.2.a, and again at 23.S.5.a, and tell me how they work together.
Does the company have the right, currently, to expect you to answer your phone anytime (which would be a big surprise to all of us)? Who chooses whether the assignment and acknowledgment take place electronically, or via phone?
Take a look at 23.S.5.a. What do you think it means?
Take a look at 23.S.5.g.2.b. I think that's the section which lets you acknowledge up to 3 hours prior to show.
Now, look just above, at 23.S.5.g.2.a, and again at 23.S.5.a, and tell me how they work together.
Does the company have the right, currently, to expect you to answer your phone anytime (which would be a big surprise to all of us)? Who chooses whether the assignment and acknowledgment take place electronically, or via phone?

When in doubt, I find the Transition Working Group 09-10.
Long Call
Crew Scheduling will attempt to notify (via a phone call) a long call pilot of a rotation, short call
period or rest period that has been placed on his schedule (see Required Schedule Checks below
for exceptions to this). The pilot must acknowledge this assignment:
• no later than three hours prior to scheduled report for a rotation,
• no later than one hour prior to scheduled start of a short call period, or
• no later than six hours after the start of a rest period. (See Section 23 S. 5.g. and 6.b.)
He can acknowledge the assignment via DBMS, a phone call to Crew Scheduling, or via VRU. If
a pilot acknowledges his assignment/award via DBMS or VRU, Crew Scheduling will not
contact the pilot by phone.
A duty free period (free of responsibility for contact) will begin 12 hours prior to report for a
rotation, and 10 hours prior to the start of a short call period.
As long as a pilot is contactable via at least one of the numbers listed in DBMS, then he will not
have to check his schedule during routine long call days. As long as Crew Scheduling has not
called one of those numbers, his 12-hour leash is always pushing out in front of the current time.
If a long call pilot desires to be out of contact entirely for periods of time (sleeping without
interruption, golfing without a cell phone, etc.), then he must check his schedule (or messages) at
least every nine hours. This ensures that he can acknowledge no later than three hours prior to
any rotation, one hour prior to start of a short call or six hours after the start of a rest period that
might have been assigned while he was out of contact.
Just one of those funny gestures that wouldn't really go anywhere.....
it pays $4,000.
My old college roommate (Delta pilot now) put $20 on Auburn winning the national championship back in July. I told him then, oh I wish you had told me, I'd had you put $20 for me.
Just one of those funny gestures that wouldn't really go anywhere.....
it pays $4,000.

Just one of those funny gestures that wouldn't really go anywhere.....
it pays $4,000.

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So how many of you reading this web board are on a smart phone?? I'd bet that 99.9999999% of the pilots at Delta have a smartphone. Everywhere you look people look like zombies staring at their phones. How long does it take someone to pull up delta net and then log into Icrew? 2 minutes? Ok maybe 5 minutes sitting in certain gates at ATL. In this day and age of technology, how many of you leave your phones at home when you go out to do anything??? I'd venture a very tiny portion of you. So why are we having this massive whine festival about checking your schedule and acknowledging an assignment??? You know almost everyone has their smartphone glued to their palm doing something online every waking minute of the day. ***???
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