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Old 12-11-2013 | 07:42 AM
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Originally Posted by fisherpilot
So how would that look for a new hire? Not premerger DAL or NWA
It would look like 15%.
Old 12-11-2013 | 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Dorfman
The problem is GS is an option to fly, a right by the contract but optional none the less. IAs are not, if they get a hold of you, i.e. don't answer your phone.
You are correct. However, the one big difference for the company, is that for regular lineholders, an IA always pays double, even if the pilot didn't fly any other trip for the month (not that that is very likely). A GS only pays double if the pilot manages to exceed the GS threshold with all his other flying for the month.
Old 12-11-2013 | 07:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Dorfman
You missed my point. I think the contract should change, via memrat, to a hard cap with guys on furlough. Yes I said if I was king for a day but since that is as likely as Carl and Tsquare agreeing on union representation I think your safe.
I actually agree with you. I had previously deleted my first reply, but apparently not. You are correct--I missed your point re: "with guys on furlough."
Old 12-11-2013 | 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Dorfman
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Not disagreeing with you at all. I can only tell you from a furloughed pilots perspective there is a difference. Thats why I proposed the 75 hour hard cap if I were king for a day. THoughts on that?
There shouldn't be any difference in how you view it. I gu-ar-an-tee that guys will anxiously answer the phone when they see that skeds is calling with an IA. I'll give you another perspective to think about too. When the company furloughs, they know pretty well how long they will need to have guys out. Flying overtime, not flying overtime, doesn't appreciably affect it one way or the other. I would be willing to bet that they look at it from a worst case scenario, that being nobody flies overtime but that is just a guess on my part. As far as a hard cap... sure why not? I think it's mostly a feel good thing, but it wouldn't bother me...
Old 12-11-2013 | 07:53 AM
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Originally Posted by slowplay
It would look like 15%.
Great. Thx
Old 12-11-2013 | 07:56 AM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
There shouldn't be any difference in how you view it. I gu-ar-an-tee that guys will anxiously answer the phone when they see that skeds is calling with an IA. I'll give you another perspective to think about too. When the company furloughs, they know pretty well how long they will need to have guys out. Flying overtime, not flying overtime, doesn't appreciably affect it one way or the other. I would be willing to bet that they look at it from a worst case scenario, that being nobody flies overtime but that is just a guess on my part. As far as a hard cap... sure why not? I think it's mostly a feel good thing, but it wouldn't bother me...
I've learned the hard way to never say 'never', but with the upcoming retirement numbers, I can't envision a realistic scenario short of an apocalypse that would result in Delta furloughing pilots. Don't quote me on that... please!!!
Old 12-11-2013 | 07:56 AM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
Not your problem then. And they know that. However... if you flew .75M all the way, and THEN get holding they KNOW that too.... can you justify it? I'm not saying that they will go that route, and I believe it foolish for them to block trips so close to the limit, but they have reams of data on how long it should take to go from point A to point B. Don't you find it amazing that we can fly for 5,6, 12 hours and be within 10 or 15 minutes of the prediction on the flight plan? I certainly do. It will be interesting to see how this all plays out.
I'm not sure about now, but there used to be a computer printout "Capt. minutes under sked" sent monthly to the CPO.
Old 12-11-2013 | 07:56 AM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
Irrelevant. Guys DO answer their phone, or their kids do... get grabbed in the jetway.... or whatever. Not all, but some. I see no difference in asking to fly a GS or accepting an IA when you KNOW it is skeds on the phone. It doesn't matter. You are pressuring one pilot to forego his contractual right while rewarding another for doing the same thing.
Then you don't want to see the difference because the difference is huge.

GS = volunteer
IA = against your will

Now, you can have your critiques of both, but you are making assumptions to get to the point you are putting forth as actual fact. You do not have actual proof or a through analysis to verify your anecdotal conclusion. That being said, I agree that if a pilot willfully puts himself in a position to accept an IA (especially in this day of quick and easy voicemail and caller ID) then he is just as guilty of taking premium pay flying at the cost of furloughees getting their jobs back. But you can't assume all, or even a majority of IA assignments are willfully flown. However, you know GS are because those require action on the part of the pilot to seek that flying that could have been done by a furloughed pilot. There is in fact a significant difference between the two.
Old 12-11-2013 | 08:00 AM
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Originally Posted by cni187
I'm also curious: If 2.6billion pre tax

is it (10% of 2.5 Billion) + (20% of .1Billion)?

Or 20% of 2.6 Billion?

250 mil + 20 mil = 270 mil

or 520 million????

That's a big difference.
Why do pilots not get this? Easy way to answer: What's the least beneficial option for pilots this year vs last year (before the TA's language took effect)?
Old 12-11-2013 | 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by flyallnite
I've learned the hard way to never say 'never', but with the upcoming retirement numbers, I can't envision a realistic scenario short of an apocalypse that would result in Delta furloughing pilots. Don't quote me on that... please!!!
Oh I absolutely agree.
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