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Old 12-11-2013, 07:39 AM
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Originally Posted by slowplay View Post
Total company retirement plan contributions as of January 1, 2014 are 15%. We currently have 2 separate plans (401K and DC) that are being merged into one (401k). No pilot contributions are required to get the 15%.
So how would that look for a new hire? Not premerger DAL or NWA
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Originally Posted by tsquare View Post
Irrelevant. Guys DO answer their phone, or their kids do... get grabbed in the jetway.... or whatever. Not all, but some. I see no difference in asking to fly a GS or accepting an IA when you KNOW it is skeds on the phone. It doesn't matter. You are pressuring one pilot to forego his contractual right while rewarding another for doing the same thing.
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Not disagreeing with you at all. I can only tell you from a furloughed pilots perspective there is a difference. Thats why I proposed the 75 hour hard cap if I were king for a day. THoughts on that?
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Old 12-11-2013, 07:39 AM
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Originally Posted by cni187 View Post
I'm also curious: If 2.6billion pre tax

is it (10% of 2.5 Billion) + (20% of .1Billion)?

Or 20% of 2.6 Billion?

250 mil + 20 mil = 270 mil

or 520 million????

That's a big difference.
The fact that you do not know is truly discouraging. Did you actually read the TA?
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Old 12-11-2013, 07:42 AM
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edit….due to Herkflyr post edit
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Old 12-11-2013, 07:42 AM
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Originally Posted by fisherpilot View Post
So how would that look for a new hire? Not premerger DAL or NWA
It would look like 15%.
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Old 12-11-2013, 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Dorfman View Post
The problem is GS is an option to fly, a right by the contract but optional none the less. IAs are not, if they get a hold of you, i.e. don't answer your phone.
You are correct. However, the one big difference for the company, is that for regular lineholders, an IA always pays double, even if the pilot didn't fly any other trip for the month (not that that is very likely). A GS only pays double if the pilot manages to exceed the GS threshold with all his other flying for the month.
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Old 12-11-2013, 07:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Dorfman View Post
You missed my point. I think the contract should change, via memrat, to a hard cap with guys on furlough. Yes I said if I was king for a day but since that is as likely as Carl and Tsquare agreeing on union representation I think your safe.
I actually agree with you. I had previously deleted my first reply, but apparently not. You are correct--I missed your point re: "with guys on furlough."
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Old 12-11-2013, 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Dorfman View Post
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Not disagreeing with you at all. I can only tell you from a furloughed pilots perspective there is a difference. Thats why I proposed the 75 hour hard cap if I were king for a day. THoughts on that?
There shouldn't be any difference in how you view it. I gu-ar-an-tee that guys will anxiously answer the phone when they see that skeds is calling with an IA. I'll give you another perspective to think about too. When the company furloughs, they know pretty well how long they will need to have guys out. Flying overtime, not flying overtime, doesn't appreciably affect it one way or the other. I would be willing to bet that they look at it from a worst case scenario, that being nobody flies overtime but that is just a guess on my part. As far as a hard cap... sure why not? I think it's mostly a feel good thing, but it wouldn't bother me...
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Old 12-11-2013, 07:53 AM
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Originally Posted by slowplay View Post
It would look like 15%.
Great. Thx
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Old 12-11-2013, 07:56 AM
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Originally Posted by tsquare View Post
There shouldn't be any difference in how you view it. I gu-ar-an-tee that guys will anxiously answer the phone when they see that skeds is calling with an IA. I'll give you another perspective to think about too. When the company furloughs, they know pretty well how long they will need to have guys out. Flying overtime, not flying overtime, doesn't appreciably affect it one way or the other. I would be willing to bet that they look at it from a worst case scenario, that being nobody flies overtime but that is just a guess on my part. As far as a hard cap... sure why not? I think it's mostly a feel good thing, but it wouldn't bother me...
I've learned the hard way to never say 'never', but with the upcoming retirement numbers, I can't envision a realistic scenario short of an apocalypse that would result in Delta furloughing pilots. Don't quote me on that... please!!!
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