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12-11-2013 | 07:25 AM
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I'm just saying that whenever there are furloughs, there is always an uproar against senior guys flying GSs while junior guys are flying IAs. IOW, senior guys are being pressured into foregoing their contractual rights while the junior guys take advantage of it. I couldn't care less either way frankly, but I get sick of hearing how the senior guys are keeping furloughees on the street when junior guys are every bit as "responsible".
We as pilots are our own worst enemy when it comes to this. If I were king for a day we would adopt a hard cap of 75 hours with pilots on furlough. No white slips, green slips, or any other flying that takes someone above 75 hours.
12-11-2013 | 07:29 AM
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Total company retirement plan contributions as of January 1, 2014 are 15%. We currently have 2 separate plans (401K and DC) that are being merged into one (401k). No pilot contributions are required to get the 15%.
12-11-2013 | 07:31 AM
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The problem is the company is leaving no wiggle room for the, what if. You know as well as I do, that Murphy's Law seems to apply to aviation on a daily basis. How about the numerous times you are asked to turn 30 right for spacing. I have flown into BOS on a clear day and been told to hold over Norwich when I can see the airport 50 miles ahead. Slow as much as practical as Atlanta is switching airport configuration. I could go on and on. The real issue is if you over block that first leg by the small buffer, your done!
The problem is the company is leaving no wiggle room for the, what if. You know as well as I do, that Murphy's Law seems to apply to aviation on a daily basis. How about the numerous times you are asked to turn 30 right for spacing. I have flown into BOS on a clear day and been told to hold over Norwich when I can see the airport 50 miles ahead. Slow as much as practical as Atlanta is switching airport configuration. I could go on and on. The real issue is if you over block that first leg by the small buffer, your done!
12-11-2013 | 07:35 AM
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Irrelevant. Guys DO answer their phone, or their kids do... get grabbed in the jetway.... or whatever. Not all, but some. I see no difference in asking to fly a GS or accepting an IA when you KNOW it is skeds on the phone. It doesn't matter. You are pressuring one pilot to forego his contractual right while rewarding another for doing the same thing.
12-11-2013 | 07:36 AM
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Not your problem then. And they know that. However... if you flew .75M all the way, and THEN get holding they KNOW that too.... can you justify it? I'm not saying that they will go that route, and I believe it foolish for them to block trips so close to the limit, but they have reams of data on how long it should take to go from point A to point B. Don't you find it amazing that we can fly for 5,6, 12 hours and be within 10 or 15 minutes of the prediction on the flight plan? I certainly do. It will be interesting to see how this all plays out.
I think the FAR's are clear enough as to whom is the final authority WRT operating the aircraft in a safe manner. I'm sure they could ask the question, but the answer would always be "I operated it per the FOM, and FAR's." Short of putting a mgmt. cop on the JS, there's nothing else they could do.
12-11-2013 | 07:39 AM
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The problem is GS is an option to fly, a right by the contract but optional none the less. IAs are not, if they get a hold of you, i.e. don't answer your phone.
We as pilots are our own worst enemy when it comes to this. If I were king for a day we would adopt a hard cap of 75 hours with pilots on furlough. No white slips, green slips, or any other flying that takes someone above 75 hours.
We as pilots are our own worst enemy when it comes to this. If I were king for a day we would adopt a hard cap of 75 hours with pilots on furlough. No white slips, green slips, or any other flying that takes someone above 75 hours.
12-11-2013 | 07:39 AM
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So how would that look for a new hire? Not premerger DAL or NWA
12-11-2013 | 07:39 AM
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Irrelevant. Guys DO answer their phone, or their kids do... get grabbed in the jetway.... or whatever. Not all, but some. I see no difference in asking to fly a GS or accepting an IA when you KNOW it is skeds on the phone. It doesn't matter. You are pressuring one pilot to forego his contractual right while rewarding another for doing the same thing.
Not disagreeing with you at all. I can only tell you from a furloughed pilots perspective there is a difference. Thats why I proposed the 75 hour hard cap if I were king for a day. THoughts on that?
12-11-2013 | 07:39 AM
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12-11-2013 | 07:42 AM
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