Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
12-31-2013, 04:54 PM
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Again sailingfud, you're just making this up. It was easy for me to credit over 1,000 hours in pay at NWA, but I've never come close to that at Delta. We had premium pay for all time over ~80 hours as opposed to this green slip nonsense where for the most part, only the most senior in category have a shot at them. Thus all your math about what I make now or will make tomorrow is pure BS. I was at Delta 3 years before I broke even in pay with my last year at NWA.
But again, you (I think purposely) miss the point. Who gives a rip about someone like me who represents the very small percentage of top earners at Delta. If every Delta pilot made that, then you might be closer to making a point about near parity with SWA pilots. But that's not the case. For the vast majority of Delta pilots, DALPA has presided over decades of stagnation, job loss and concessions after our company returned to profitablility. So yes, I consider that an epic fail. You don't want to rock the boat and hurt your little hobby job here at Delta, so your incentive is to take whatever is offered because you don't really need this job. DALPA is the perfect pretend union for guys like you. Just like UN membership for countries too afraid to use their military power. Just vote for a UN resolution instead...knowing full well the UN is powerless. But at least you can go on TV and crow about the tough stance your nation took at the UN.
By a clue ace...you're horribly out of touch with what the vast majority of Delta pilots have and are going through.
Carl
But again, you (I think purposely) miss the point. Who gives a rip about someone like me who represents the very small percentage of top earners at Delta. If every Delta pilot made that, then you might be closer to making a point about near parity with SWA pilots. But that's not the case. For the vast majority of Delta pilots, DALPA has presided over decades of stagnation, job loss and concessions after our company returned to profitablility. So yes, I consider that an epic fail. You don't want to rock the boat and hurt your little hobby job here at Delta, so your incentive is to take whatever is offered because you don't really need this job. DALPA is the perfect pretend union for guys like you. Just like UN membership for countries too afraid to use their military power. Just vote for a UN resolution instead...knowing full well the UN is powerless. But at least you can go on TV and crow about the tough stance your nation took at the UN.
By a clue ace...you're horribly out of touch with what the vast majority of Delta pilots have and are going through.
Carl
12-31-2013, 04:55 PM
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Sailing, thanks for the link.
According to the data you appear to be referencing, the table that lists the average 2012 SWA pilot (Capt & FO) pay says $157,279. That number and the Hawaiian avg pay for 1999 of $1,859,096 are noted as "questionable."
The SWA figure that appears to be more accurate (and is not noted to be questionable by the authors) is the one the year before for avg SWA pilot pay in 2011: $203,196. I'd take that over the Delta avg for the same year of $150,099. Heck, I'd take it over the average for 2013, pay raises and all.
Your numbers are suspect according to the source you're citing and significantly take away from your point.
Me calling you out on making things up is why you left last time. Let's not start that again shall we? SWA pilots on average make FAR more than Delta pilots. FAR more. I know you know this, but you seem to take it as your job to spin heavily for management/DALPA. Why do you do this?
Carl, I have lots of friends at SWA. I made way more then any SWA captain I know last year. Here are the numbers from 2012, keep in mind we had at least a 10 percent improvement in 2013 and SWA had nothing.
Average pay per pilot Delta 158,227.00 SWA 157,279.00. In addition the average Delta pilot received 7600.00 more in DC contributions. For 2013 the Delta wages are up 10 percent.
Block hour costs: Delta 941 dollars per hour. SWA 698.00 dollars an hour.
To be honest that number is not a fair comparison. We should use the narrow body numbers for Delta to eliminate crewing differences. That number is 911.00 an hour. Again it will go up for 2013.
Average SWA captains make what I make or more. That's a fact. And ALL of their captains make that...not just the few 744/777 captains we have here at Delta.
Carl, The average SWA in good years according to SWAPA made about 234,000 a year. Last year if you know any SWA pilots you might find that their overtime is way down with the merger and wages down from that number. Much like we had a big drop the year after our merger. If you made less then that then you personally choose to drop trips and work a very light schedule. Most 747 Captains at Delta will be over 300k. More then a few will be over 400k.
No we won't. But you'll certainly spin it that way by comparing me to SWA captains and say that proves ALL Delta pilots make more than SWA pilots. This is bordering on a flat out lie sailingfud...just like your last lie about what management was demanding during C2012 negotiations.
Here is my source for the above Data. Please provide your source.
Airline Data Project
I also remember stating that the number of DPA members did not match the number of cards on file. You came up and stated that it matched exactly and every time a card expired they were removed from the total. Care to comment on that? Your story is quite different from a DPA advocate I just talked with.
Carl, I have lots of friends at SWA. I made way more then any SWA captain I know last year. Here are the numbers from 2012, keep in mind we had at least a 10 percent improvement in 2013 and SWA had nothing.
Average pay per pilot Delta 158,227.00 SWA 157,279.00. In addition the average Delta pilot received 7600.00 more in DC contributions. For 2013 the Delta wages are up 10 percent.
Block hour costs: Delta 941 dollars per hour. SWA 698.00 dollars an hour.
To be honest that number is not a fair comparison. We should use the narrow body numbers for Delta to eliminate crewing differences. That number is 911.00 an hour. Again it will go up for 2013.
Average SWA captains make what I make or more. That's a fact. And ALL of their captains make that...not just the few 744/777 captains we have here at Delta.
Carl, The average SWA in good years according to SWAPA made about 234,000 a year. Last year if you know any SWA pilots you might find that their overtime is way down with the merger and wages down from that number. Much like we had a big drop the year after our merger. If you made less then that then you personally choose to drop trips and work a very light schedule. Most 747 Captains at Delta will be over 300k. More then a few will be over 400k.
No we won't. But you'll certainly spin it that way by comparing me to SWA captains and say that proves ALL Delta pilots make more than SWA pilots. This is bordering on a flat out lie sailingfud...just like your last lie about what management was demanding during C2012 negotiations.
Here is my source for the above Data. Please provide your source.
Airline Data Project
I also remember stating that the number of DPA members did not match the number of cards on file. You came up and stated that it matched exactly and every time a card expired they were removed from the total. Care to comment on that? Your story is quite different from a DPA advocate I just talked with.
According to the data you appear to be referencing, the table that lists the average 2012 SWA pilot (Capt & FO) pay says $157,279. That number and the Hawaiian avg pay for 1999 of $1,859,096 are noted as "questionable."
The SWA figure that appears to be more accurate (and is not noted to be questionable by the authors) is the one the year before for avg SWA pilot pay in 2011: $203,196. I'd take that over the Delta avg for the same year of $150,099. Heck, I'd take it over the average for 2013, pay raises and all.
Your numbers are suspect according to the source you're citing and significantly take away from your point.
12-31-2013, 04:56 PM
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The reserve change that upped the average credit for a reserve line from 70 hours to 75.5.
12-31-2013, 05:03 PM
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12-31-2013, 05:15 PM
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12-31-2013, 05:17 PM
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The only way I can make sense out if the last three pages were if sailing were not a DAL pilot. Out of touch is an understatement.
12-31-2013, 05:53 PM
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Instead of comparing a senior 747/777 Delta captains pay to a SWA captains pay, I would like to hear from a real life Delta 737 captain and see where his actual pay stacks up. The average SWA captain pay is approx $230k gross not including retirement contribution. How does that compare to a Delta 737 captain?
12-31-2013, 06:04 PM
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12-31-2013, 06:06 PM
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Instead of comparing a senior 747/777 Delta captains pay to a SWA captains pay, I would like to hear from a real life Delta 737 captain and see where his actual pay stacks up. The average SWA captain pay is approx $230k gross not including retirement contribution. How does that compare to a Delta 737 captain?
Carl
12-31-2013, 06:19 PM
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Instead of comparing a senior 747/777 Delta captains pay to a SWA captains pay, I would like to hear from a real life Delta 737 captain and see where his actual pay stacks up. The average SWA captain pay is approx $230k gross not including retirement contribution. How does that compare to a Delta 737 captain?
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