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12-31-2013, 11:18 AM
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I'm sorry, but you have this backwards - the nine hour response window is just a means to ensure the pilot is able to meet the NLT 3 hour requirement. The NLT 3 hours is the contractual requirement - NOT the nine hours.
From the Scheduling Reference Handbook:
"This effectively means a long-call pilot could turn off his phone for as long as nine hours, provided he then checks his messages and/or schedule in order to comply with the above requirements for acknowledgement."
In other words, as long a pilot checks his schedule every nine hours, he will be ABLE to comply with the NLT 3 requirement. It does not mean that there is actually a 9 hour window. The ONLY requirement is the NLT 3 hours - period.
Now, would an arbitrator agree with the reasonableness of waiting right up to the 3 hour limit? I have no idea, but I'd hope so since it's the only contractual limit actually we have.
From the Scheduling Reference Handbook:
"This effectively means a long-call pilot could turn off his phone for as long as nine hours, provided he then checks his messages and/or schedule in order to comply with the above requirements for acknowledgement."
In other words, as long a pilot checks his schedule every nine hours, he will be ABLE to comply with the NLT 3 requirement. It does not mean that there is actually a 9 hour window. The ONLY requirement is the NLT 3 hours - period.
Now, would an arbitrator agree with the reasonableness of waiting right up to the 3 hour limit? I have no idea, but I'd hope so since it's the only contractual limit actually we have.
Dash,
You are missing the point. Most Pilots don't care about the ability to respond as late as 3 hours prior to report. What is important to most reserve pilots - me included is QOL and not being on a short tether.
What would rather have?
A 4 hour response and maintain the ability to acknowledge NLT 3 hours prior to report - what you saying is the "ends" of our contractual wording.
Or have a 19 hour notice, even if it requires acknowledging 10 hours prior to report.
It is not the NLT 3 hours wording that is important, it is the amount of notice, and the length of the response "leash" currently 9 hours that we need to protect.
Scoop
12-31-2013, 11:37 AM
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Dash,
You are missing the point. Most Pilots don't care about the ability to respond as late as 3 hours prior to report. What is important to most reserve pilots - me included is QOL and not being on a short tether.
What would rather have?
A 4 hour response and maintain the ability to acknowledge NLT 3 hours prior to report - what you saying is the "ends" of our contractual wording.
Or have a 19 hour notice, even if it requires acknowledging 10 hours prior to report.
It is not the NLT 3 hours wording that is important, it is the amount of notice, and the length of the response "leash" currently 9 hours that we need to protect.
Scoop
You are missing the point. Most Pilots don't care about the ability to respond as late as 3 hours prior to report. What is important to most reserve pilots - me included is QOL and not being on a short tether.
What would rather have?
A 4 hour response and maintain the ability to acknowledge NLT 3 hours prior to report - what you saying is the "ends" of our contractual wording.
Or have a 19 hour notice, even if it requires acknowledging 10 hours prior to report.
It is not the NLT 3 hours wording that is important, it is the amount of notice, and the length of the response "leash" currently 9 hours that we need to protect.
Scoop
12-31-2013, 11:53 AM
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I mean in may be my opinion only but I think all of the pilots on this forum rock. They should be well paid and they should, as always, demand clarity from our company and our union contract folks to ensure whatever we are doing we are doing correctly. Right now, I'm confused and my hands have a lot of butter on them from the popcorn I'm eating waiting for a real solution.
12-31-2013, 12:53 PM
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Carl
12-31-2013, 01:46 PM
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[QUOTE=Carl Spackler;1550241]No we don't sailingfud. SWA pilots make much, much more than Delta pilots as well as our European JV "partners." But that's not the point. The point is that you're back with the Fear Uncertainty Doubt campaign and advocating a weak response from us after having been kicked in the teeth by management.
Carl, SWA pilots in 2012 on average made less then Delta pilots. Overall block hour costs were substantially higher at Delta. Small Narrow body block hour costs were higher then SWA. In 2013 we recieved a average 10 percent increase in rates over 2012 not even counting the increase in reserve pay. When the 2013 numbers come out we will be way ahead of SWA.
I know DALPA is a epic fail for you. Let look at how horrible they have performed for you personally. At the time of the merger if you credited 1044 hours you made about 185,800 a year. Tomorrow your will make 329,500 dollars in total compensation based on the same 1044 hours. Your new total pay rate is just under 316.00 a hour with the DC plan.
Total raise since the merger a miserable 144,000 a year or 12,000 a month.
I am not even factoring in that at the time of the merger each contract ended up crediting both pilots groups with about the same number of credit hours. With the reserve changes we now credit even more hours on average. I know 144,000 a year in improvements is not much. Those hardline airlines like AMR did so much better!
Carl, SWA pilots in 2012 on average made less then Delta pilots. Overall block hour costs were substantially higher at Delta. Small Narrow body block hour costs were higher then SWA. In 2013 we recieved a average 10 percent increase in rates over 2012 not even counting the increase in reserve pay. When the 2013 numbers come out we will be way ahead of SWA.
I know DALPA is a epic fail for you. Let look at how horrible they have performed for you personally. At the time of the merger if you credited 1044 hours you made about 185,800 a year. Tomorrow your will make 329,500 dollars in total compensation based on the same 1044 hours. Your new total pay rate is just under 316.00 a hour with the DC plan.
Total raise since the merger a miserable 144,000 a year or 12,000 a month.
I am not even factoring in that at the time of the merger each contract ended up crediting both pilots groups with about the same number of credit hours. With the reserve changes we now credit even more hours on average. I know 144,000 a year in improvements is not much. Those hardline airlines like AMR did so much better!
12-31-2013, 01:58 PM
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Sorry if this has been discussed and I missed it...lots of green slips going out for trips tomorrow in several categories. Strange thing is, when one checks avail. List, there appear to be many reserves on call to take those trips. I have to assume this has something to do with 117. Why is this happening??
12-31-2013, 02:03 PM
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No we don't sailingfud. SWA pilots make much, much more than Delta pilots as well as our European JV "partners." But that's not the point. The point is that you're back with the Fear Uncertainty Doubt campaign and advocating a weak response from us after having been kicked in the teeth by management.
I admire any real union. I'm a union guy at heart. That's why I don't like the pretend union we have in DALPA. You're thrilled with the pretend union. I get that. Some of us aren't.
Carl
I admire any real union. I'm a union guy at heart. That's why I don't like the pretend union we have in DALPA. You're thrilled with the pretend union. I get that. Some of us aren't.
Carl
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12-31-2013, 02:20 PM
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AU Delta charter hosed in MGM!
Here ya go Awbern fans. Big turn out for the Team's sendoff today, over 1000 folks!
Smart Player
Pretty cool getting "hosed", pulling for AU & SEC!
ps we'll get yall next year!
Smart Player
Pretty cool getting "hosed", pulling for AU & SEC!
ps we'll get yall next year!
12-31-2013, 02:55 PM
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Here ya go Awbern fans. Big turn out for the Team's sendoff today, over 1000 folks!
Smart Player
Pretty cool getting "hosed", pulling for AU & SEC!
ps we'll get yall next year!
Smart Player
Pretty cool getting "hosed", pulling for AU & SEC!
ps we'll get yall next year!
Hoser,
Happy New Year
Hoser
12-31-2013, 02:59 PM
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If you are going from an x day to your first on call day, per the new SD memo and 117 the earliest you can report for a trip or short call is now noon base time, unless you put a yellow slip in. That happened in my category, reserves available but trips that check in before noon.
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