DOH! Talk about public math error! Need to carry the one!

Thanks and Go Hawks!

Denny

I submit that management has already take its first hostage--our contract.

Hey Purple, it's Dec 31st.............................................. ....Happy New Year!

On the 117 note, I'm pretty sure everyone knows that something needs to be negotiated between the company and the union. With that being said: What would be a reasonable outcome from these negotiations? I think Scoop's answer would be reasonable.

Denny

I think DALPA has handled it correctly so far. Management has staked out their position and we have made ours clear as well. Nobody has taken any action yet.
It would be wrong and probably illegal for the union to come out and advocate "no acknowledgments until three hours prior" before management has taken any actions of their own.
As soon as Dickson docs someone's paycheck then the door will have been opened.
Until then, I think it is the smart move to remain calm.

Let flight ops be the first ones to resort to "self-help". After that, Donatelli will be free to react.

I heard that if you call the union scheduling hotline they'll tell you that you can either check your schedule at 3pm on your off day like we've always done, or not look at it and if you are illegal for a morning trip, they PD it and you don't get paid. It sure sounds like the company is requiring us to do a schedule check on the off day (if you want to get paid). I'm pretty sure the FAA would have a problem with that.

You also have to consider that we are in direct negotiations with the company on this issue. If those negotiations are progressing and it appears a agreement is possible then you don't kick them in the teeth. If negotiations are going no where then you take stronger actions. I believe the focus in those talks from our end is to improve the daily minimum to offset 30 hour layovers.

Sorry if this has been discussed and I missed it...lots of green slips going out for trips tomorrow in several categories. Strange thing is, when one checks avail. List, there appear to be many reserves on call to take those trips. I have to assume this has something to do with 117. Why is this happening??

Then why did management kick us in the teeth with that memo which specifically violates our contract? A memo they wrote DURING negotiations.

I know you'll ultimately always come down on management's side no matter what. That's what you do. But you're advocating the worst kind of negotiating tactics when you advocate not fighting fire with fire. Showing the weakness you advocate in the face of being kicked in the teeth by management will only lead to more aggression and disrespect from management.

Weakness, fear and hand wringing is not a strategy sailingfud.

Carl

And yet somehow we have the highest pilot costs in the passenger industry. Perhaps if we go hard line we can drop down into the pack with the unions you admire so much.

I don't think Carl or anyone else is calling for a work slow done or walkout. Just an equal amount of pushback in response to the company's position.