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12-31-2013, 03:05 PM
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Me calling you out on making things up is why you left last time. Let's not start that again shall we? SWA pilots on average make FAR more than Delta pilots. FAR more. I know you know this, but you seem to take it as your job to spin heavily for management/DALPA. Why do you do this?
Average SWA captains make what I make or more. That's a fact. And ALL of their captains make that...not just the few 744/777 captains we have here at Delta.
No we won't. But you'll certainly spin it that way by comparing me to SWA captains and say that proves ALL Delta pilots make more than SWA pilots. This is bordering on a flat out lie sailingfud...just like your last lie about what management was demanding during C2012 negotiations.
Carl
Average SWA captains make what I make or more. That's a fact. And ALL of their captains make that...not just the few 744/777 captains we have here at Delta.
No we won't. But you'll certainly spin it that way by comparing me to SWA captains and say that proves ALL Delta pilots make more than SWA pilots. This is bordering on a flat out lie sailingfud...just like your last lie about what management was demanding during C2012 negotiations.
Carl
12-31-2013, 03:09 PM
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Sorry, I've been talking about what we currently have, not what I'd rather have in the future.As the PWA stands right now, the NLT 3 hour wording is absolutely important - as it's the only actual limitation for reserve acknowledgement that we CURRENTLY have. Having said that, I think I get where you're coming from - what you propose is a solution to the problem (19 hour call out, 9 hour leash). A solution that I agree with, BTW. But, it's a solution that will require a change to the PWA. And as far as any proposed changes go, you're right, it's the 9 hour leash absolutely needs to be protected, not the NLT 3. Sorry if we've been talking in circles 
Dash,
No need to apologize - I think we are are all a little confused about the distinctions between what we must, should, or may do as far as reserve call outs go.
On the bright side we still have over 4 hours to get this squared away.
Happy New years All!
Scoop
12-31-2013, 03:19 PM
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I know DALPA is a epic fail for you. Let look at how horrible they have performed for you personally. At the time of the merger if you credited 1044 hours you made about 185,800 a year. Tomorrow your will make 329,500 dollars in total compensation based on the same 1044 hours. Your new total pay rate is just under 316.00 a hour with the DC plan.
Total raise since the merger a miserable 144,000 a year or 12,000 a month.
Total raise since the merger a miserable 144,000 a year or 12,000 a month.
But again, you (I think purposely) miss the point. Who gives a rip about someone like me who represents the very small percentage of top earners at Delta. If every Delta pilot made that, then you might be closer to making a point about near parity with SWA pilots. But that's not the case. For the vast majority of Delta pilots, DALPA has presided over decades of stagnation, job loss and concessions after our company returned to profitablility. So yes, I consider that an epic fail. You don't want to rock the boat and hurt your little hobby job here at Delta, so your incentive is to take whatever is offered because you don't really need this job. DALPA is the perfect pretend union for guys like you. Just like UN membership for countries too afraid to use their military power. Just vote for a UN resolution instead...knowing full well the UN is powerless. But at least you can go on TV and crow about the tough stance your nation took at the UN.
By a clue ace...you're horribly out of touch with what the vast majority of Delta pilots have and are going through.
Carl
12-31-2013, 03:33 PM
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[QUOTE=Carl Spackler;1550294]Me calling you out on making things up is why you left last time. Let's not start that again shall we? SWA pilots on average make FAR more than Delta pilots. FAR more. I know you know this, but you seem to take it as your job to spin heavily for management/DALPA. Why do you do this?
Carl, I have lots of friends at SWA. I made way more then any SWA captain I know last year. Here are the numbers from 2012, keep in mind we had at least a 10 percent improvement in 2013 and SWA had nothing.
Average pay per pilot Delta 158,227.00 SWA 157,279.00. In addition the average Delta pilot received 7600.00 more in DC contributions. For 2013 the Delta wages are up 10 percent.
Block hour costs: Delta 941 dollars per hour. SWA 698.00 dollars an hour.
To be honest that number is not a fair comparison. We should use the narrow body numbers for Delta to eliminate crewing differences. That number is 911.00 an hour. Again it will go up for 2013.
Average SWA captains make what I make or more. That's a fact. And ALL of their captains make that...not just the few 744/777 captains we have here at Delta.
Carl, The average SWA in good years according to SWAPA made about 234,000 a year. Last year if you know any SWA pilots you might find that their overtime is way down with the merger and wages down from that number. Much like we had a big drop the year after our merger. If you made less then that then you personally choose to drop trips and work a very light schedule. Most 747 Captains at Delta will be over 300k. More then a few will be over 400k.
No we won't. But you'll certainly spin it that way by comparing me to SWA captains and say that proves ALL Delta pilots make more than SWA pilots. This is bordering on a flat out lie sailingfud...just like your last lie about what management was demanding during C2012 negotiations.
Here is my source for the above Data. Please provide your source.
Airline Data Project
I also remember stating that the number of DPA members did not match the number of cards on file. You came up and stated that it matched exactly and every time a card expired they were removed from the total. Care to comment on that? Your story is quite different from a DPA advocate I just talked with.
Carl, I have lots of friends at SWA. I made way more then any SWA captain I know last year. Here are the numbers from 2012, keep in mind we had at least a 10 percent improvement in 2013 and SWA had nothing.
Average pay per pilot Delta 158,227.00 SWA 157,279.00. In addition the average Delta pilot received 7600.00 more in DC contributions. For 2013 the Delta wages are up 10 percent.
Block hour costs: Delta 941 dollars per hour. SWA 698.00 dollars an hour.
To be honest that number is not a fair comparison. We should use the narrow body numbers for Delta to eliminate crewing differences. That number is 911.00 an hour. Again it will go up for 2013.
Average SWA captains make what I make or more. That's a fact. And ALL of their captains make that...not just the few 744/777 captains we have here at Delta.
Carl, The average SWA in good years according to SWAPA made about 234,000 a year. Last year if you know any SWA pilots you might find that their overtime is way down with the merger and wages down from that number. Much like we had a big drop the year after our merger. If you made less then that then you personally choose to drop trips and work a very light schedule. Most 747 Captains at Delta will be over 300k. More then a few will be over 400k.
No we won't. But you'll certainly spin it that way by comparing me to SWA captains and say that proves ALL Delta pilots make more than SWA pilots. This is bordering on a flat out lie sailingfud...just like your last lie about what management was demanding during C2012 negotiations.
Here is my source for the above Data. Please provide your source.
Airline Data Project
I also remember stating that the number of DPA members did not match the number of cards on file. You came up and stated that it matched exactly and every time a card expired they were removed from the total. Care to comment on that? Your story is quite different from a DPA advocate I just talked with.
12-31-2013, 03:46 PM
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Me calling you out on making things up is why you left last time. Let's not start that again shall we? SWA pilots on average make FAR more than Delta pilots. FAR more. I know you know this, but you seem to take it as your job to spin heavily for management/DALPA. Why do you do this?
Carl, I have lots of friends at SWA. I made way more then any SWA captain I know last year. Here are the numbers from 2012, keep in mind we had at least a 10 percent improvement in 2013 and SWA had nothing.
Average pay per pilot Delta 158,227.00 SWA 157,279.00. In addition the average Delta pilot received 7600.00 more in DC contributions. For 2013 the Delta wages are up 10 percent.
Block hour costs: Delta 941 dollars per hour. SWA 698.00 dollars an hour.
To be honest that number is not a fair comparison. We should use the narrow body numbers for Delta to eliminate crewing differences. That number is 911.00 an hour. Again it will go up for 2013.
Average SWA captains make what I make or more. That's a fact. And ALL of their captains make that...not just the few 744/777 captains we have here at Delta.
Carl, The average SWA in good years according to SWAPA made about 234,000 a year. Last year if you know any SWA pilots you might find that their overtime is way down with the merger and wages down from that number. Much like we had a big drop the year after our merger. If you made less then that then you personally choose to drop trips and work a very light schedule. Most 747 Captains at Delta will be over 300k. More then a few will be over 400k.
No we won't. But you'll certainly spin it that way by comparing me to SWA captains and say that proves ALL Delta pilots make more than SWA pilots. This is bordering on a flat out lie sailingfud...just like your last lie about what management was demanding during C2012 negotiations.
Here is my source for the above Data. Please provide your source.
Airline Data Project
I also remember stating that the number of DPA members did not match the number of cards on file. You came up and stated that it matched exactly and every time a card expired they were removed from the total. Care to comment on that? Your story is quite different from a DPA advocate I just talked with.
Carl, I have lots of friends at SWA. I made way more then any SWA captain I know last year. Here are the numbers from 2012, keep in mind we had at least a 10 percent improvement in 2013 and SWA had nothing.
Average pay per pilot Delta 158,227.00 SWA 157,279.00. In addition the average Delta pilot received 7600.00 more in DC contributions. For 2013 the Delta wages are up 10 percent.
Block hour costs: Delta 941 dollars per hour. SWA 698.00 dollars an hour.
To be honest that number is not a fair comparison. We should use the narrow body numbers for Delta to eliminate crewing differences. That number is 911.00 an hour. Again it will go up for 2013.
Average SWA captains make what I make or more. That's a fact. And ALL of their captains make that...not just the few 744/777 captains we have here at Delta.
Carl, The average SWA in good years according to SWAPA made about 234,000 a year. Last year if you know any SWA pilots you might find that their overtime is way down with the merger and wages down from that number. Much like we had a big drop the year after our merger. If you made less then that then you personally choose to drop trips and work a very light schedule. Most 747 Captains at Delta will be over 300k. More then a few will be over 400k.
No we won't. But you'll certainly spin it that way by comparing me to SWA captains and say that proves ALL Delta pilots make more than SWA pilots. This is bordering on a flat out lie sailingfud...just like your last lie about what management was demanding during C2012 negotiations.
Here is my source for the above Data. Please provide your source.
Airline Data Project
I also remember stating that the number of DPA members did not match the number of cards on file. You came up and stated that it matched exactly and every time a card expired they were removed from the total. Care to comment on that? Your story is quite different from a DPA advocate I just talked with.
Regarding what I make, I do not drop trips and I try for green slips every month. I've never gotten one since I've been here. I will not even be close to 300K this year. Nobody I know will be. The top 10 or 20 guys will be for sure because they get green slips. But we are WAY overstaffed on the 747 and I believe the 777 is also over staffed. Higher time than your line is hard to come by...unless you're very senior in category.
Carl
12-31-2013, 03:48 PM
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That's correct. If you go to the 117 tab on DLnet it is addressed in the reserve memo. No short call start or trip report time before noon on reserve day #1 unless you yellow slip for it.
12-31-2013, 03:51 PM
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12-31-2013, 03:51 PM
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Which reserve changes sailingfud? The reserve changes from C2012 where we've gone to ALV+15 and a 7th short call...or the reserve changes about to take place by you and DALPA failing to defend against management's change to our contract by memo?
Carl
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12-31-2013, 03:56 PM
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12-31-2013, 04:17 PM
Straight QOL, homie
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It's true--we gave up a ton of QOL on C2012. At least we got a sub-COLA pay bump in return.
Next time around, we won't get a damn thing; management will just put out a bulletin in lieu of Section 6 negotiations. And DALPA won't do a damn thing about it (except maybe reiterate the new policy, and invite us to follow it).
I just don't understand why more of us aren't alarmed at the precedent we're about to set.
Happy New Year--it sure will be for the execs at Delta. Too bad it's at our expense.
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