Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
12-31-2013 | 07:01 AM
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Work with them? Are they working with us on JV compliance? How about sick leave harassment?
Look, it's tempting to say that we can work with them, but we all know that crew skeds will do anything to cover a trip. What you are suggesting here is that the pilot group voluntarily give up a key quality of life provision in our contract for zero quid, simply because they said so.
Well, sorry, that's not going to work for me. And nobody has the right to tell me to do that. I paid for this contract. If the company wants a rolling 2 hour short call leash, then they'll need to negotiate in good faith for it.
And yes, I am confident that every grievance would be won. Slam dunk. The company simply will have to staff with IAs,
You think if a DAL says we will now give 19 hours notice for long call assignments and we insist on acknowledging NLT 3 hours we would win that as a slam dunk? Really"?
GS, and short call until this is resolved. And nothing stops a pilot from acknowledging a trip outside the 10 hour window, he simply has the option not to, per the contract, or to be doing something else, such as commuting in for a trip.
What other sections of the contract would you like to ignore?
Look, it's tempting to say that we can work with them, but we all know that crew skeds will do anything to cover a trip. What you are suggesting here is that the pilot group voluntarily give up a key quality of life provision in our contract for zero quid, simply because they said so.
Well, sorry, that's not going to work for me. And nobody has the right to tell me to do that. I paid for this contract. If the company wants a rolling 2 hour short call leash, then they'll need to negotiate in good faith for it.
And yes, I am confident that every grievance would be won. Slam dunk. The company simply will have to staff with IAs,
You think if a DAL says we will now give 19 hours notice for long call assignments and we insist on acknowledging NLT 3 hours we would win that as a slam dunk? Really"?
GS, and short call until this is resolved. And nothing stops a pilot from acknowledging a trip outside the 10 hour window, he simply has the option not to, per the contract, or to be doing something else, such as commuting in for a trip.
What other sections of the contract would you like to ignore?
No . I am suggesting just the opposite. If they push out long call assignments from the current 12 hours to 19 hours - how is that giving up a quality of life provision?
As far as "simply because they said so." You are missing the part where I say if they don't come off their current negotiating stance we should simply comply with the contract - you and I are in total agreement here.
Finally as far as the JV and sick leave goes - This is a separate issue. The FARs have changed - the way we operate will change.
How many time do I have to repeat - If the company insists on 2-3 hour long call assignments we should simply comply with the contract?
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12-31-2013 | 07:03 AM
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12-31-2013 | 07:27 AM
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No . I am suggesting just the opposite. If they push out long call assignments from the current 12 hours to 19 hours - how is that giving up a quality of life provision?
As far as "simply because they said so." You are missing the part where I say if they don't come off their current negotiating stance we should simply comply with the contract - you and I are in total agreement here.
Finally as far as the JV and sick leave goes - This is a separate issue. The FARs have changed - the way we operate will change.
How many time do I have to repeat - If the company insists on 2-3 hour long call assignments we should simply comply with the contract?
Scoop
As far as "simply because they said so." You are missing the part where I say if they don't come off their current negotiating stance we should simply comply with the contract - you and I are in total agreement here.
Finally as far as the JV and sick leave goes - This is a separate issue. The FARs have changed - the way we operate will change.
How many time do I have to repeat - If the company insists on 2-3 hour long call assignments we should simply comply with the contract?
Scoop
I'm sorry if I'm misreading your post. I think you're saying that 9 hours is 9 hours, right? Assuming they would make the minimum call out 19 hours on long call... correct? Ok, I see what you are saying. That's an entirely new ball of wax that would change short call obligations as well. Many pieces of the puzzle left to fit.
12-31-2013 | 08:04 AM
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From the Scheduling Reference Handbook:
"This effectively means a long-call pilot could turn off his phone for as long as nine hours, provided he then checks his messages and/or schedule in order to comply with the above requirements for acknowledgement."
In other words, as long a pilot checks his schedule every nine hours, he will be ABLE to comply with the NLT 3 requirement. It does not mean that there is actually a 9 hour window. The ONLY requirement is the NLT 3 hours - period.
Now, would an arbitrator agree with the reasonableness of waiting right up to the 3 hour limit? I have no idea, but I'd hope so since it's the only contractual limit actually we have.
12-31-2013 | 08:11 AM
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12-31-2013 | 08:18 AM
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This is going to be a big first test for Capt. Donatelli.
I think he will rise to the occasion.
As soon as management takes their first hostage we are going to see what he is made of.
I think he will rise to the occasion.
As soon as management takes their first hostage we are going to see what he is made of.
12-31-2013 | 08:19 AM
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Hi Denny,
You are right with one small exception. The total amount for one who turns 50 or is older is $23,000 not $22,000. 17.5K + 5.5K = 23K. The only reason I noticed, was that is what I contributed in 2013. I didn't quite reach the 415C Limit ($51K for 2013), but hopefully in 2014. Thanks for your quality posts and good luck in the playoffs.
AP
You are right with one small exception. The total amount for one who turns 50 or is older is $23,000 not $22,000. 17.5K + 5.5K = 23K. The only reason I noticed, was that is what I contributed in 2013. I didn't quite reach the 415C Limit ($51K for 2013), but hopefully in 2014. Thanks for your quality posts and good luck in the playoffs.
AP
Talk about public math error! Need to carry the one! 
Thanks and Go Hawks!
Denny
12-31-2013 | 08:33 AM
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12-31-2013 | 08:42 AM
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Hey Purple, it's Dec 31st.............................................. ....Happy New Year!
On the 117 note, I'm pretty sure everyone knows that something needs to be negotiated between the company and the union. With that being said: What would be a reasonable outcome from these negotiations? I think Scoop's answer would be reasonable.
Denny
On the 117 note, I'm pretty sure everyone knows that something needs to be negotiated between the company and the union. With that being said: What would be a reasonable outcome from these negotiations? I think Scoop's answer would be reasonable.
Denny
12-31-2013 | 08:48 AM
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It would be wrong and probably illegal for the union to come out and advocate "no acknowledgments until three hours prior" before management has taken any actions of their own.
As soon as Dickson docs someone's paycheck then the door will have been opened.
Until then, I think it is the smart move to remain calm.
Let flight ops be the first ones to resort to "self-help". After that, Donatelli will be free to react.
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