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Old 01-08-2014 | 11:59 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
...am I completely free of any responsibility of long call 10 hours prior to a short call period?
Yes, that's always been the case.

23 S. 5. d. A long call pilot can be converted to short call no earlier than ten hours from the first attempted contact by Crew Scheduling and will be released from duty during the ten hours immediately preceding the start of his short call period.
Old 01-09-2014 | 12:02 AM
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Originally Posted by DARR31
Well one if we add any more flights at SEA, I think we will have to be considered a hub, which would help with our code shares language in the PWA. What is it, 100 flights a day to be a hub?
Unfortunately, that does not apply to SEA:

2 A. 72. “Delta hub” means ATL, CVG, DTW, JFK, LAX, LGA, MEM, MSP, SLC, and any other airport having a monthly average of at least 100 Delta scheduled flight departures per day.
Exception: SEA is not a Delta hub, regardless of the number of scheduled flight departures.
Old 01-09-2014 | 12:09 AM
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Originally Posted by DARR31
Well one if we add any more flights at SEA, I think we will have to be considered a hub, which would help with our code shares language in the PWA. What is it, 100 flights a day to be a hub?

Yes, it is 100 flights or more a day but for one exception: Seattle. Here is the language: “Delta hub” means ATL, CVG, DTW, JFK, LAX, LGA, MEM, MSP, SLC, and any other airport having a monthly average of at least 100 Delta scheduled flight departures per day. Exception: SEA is not a Delta hub, regardless of the number of scheduled flight departures.

Next I like that they are looking to continue to build SEA as a hub. Maybe they can add a narrow body here so me and about 30+ others I know (A and B alike) that live here can finally drive to work instead of commute before we retire. Yes it's about us and would be nice Or maybe that 138% increase of flying on the ER they have 5 months out of the year they can keep half of that here instead of say ATL?

Sorry rant over, back to booking the jumpseat to get home to and from work
Hey, don't get me wrong. I'm lucky enough to be based in Seattle and I say bring on any and all flying we can get! I would love to see a narrow body base here. I also know a lot of guys who would bid Capt and/or FO on it in a heartbeat. Hopefully it will be sooner rather than later.

My comment was meant to point out the rather blatant exception that the company says on the one hand it's a hub and in the other that it's not.....I understand the reason is Sec. 1. O. 3. I just find it, shall we say........interesting.

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Old 01-09-2014 | 04:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Denny Crane
Hey, don't get me wrong. I'm lucky enough to be based in Seattle and I say bring on any and all flying we can get! I would love to see a narrow body base here. I also know a lot of guys who would bid Capt and/or FO on it in a heartbeat. Hopefully it will be sooner rather than later.

My comment was meant to point out the rather blatant exception that the company says on the one hand it's a hub and in the other that it's not.....I understand the reason is Sec. 1. O. 3. I just find it, shall we say........interesting.

Denny

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From our Live Contract: "Exception: SEA is not a Delta hub, regardless of the number of scheduled flight departures."

Makes me wonder -who- let the SEA Exception into the contract in the first place?

And why?

And maybe it should be removed now, while we are in 117 Negotiations?
Old 01-09-2014 | 05:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Timbo
From our Live Contract: "Exception: SEA is not a Delta hub, regardless of the number of scheduled flight departures."

Makes me wonder -who- let the SEA Exception into the contract in the first place?

And why?

And maybe it should be removed now, while we are in 117 Negotiations?
WE did. Just another way we paid for our raises.
Old 01-09-2014 | 05:26 AM
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Heard in the lounge that a good, latest estimate of profit-sharing (gross) is 8.3% of the FLT PAY + FLT advance for 2013, as derived from your Dec 31 2013 pay statement.

In my case, I divided the number by my current hourly pay, and it's ~ 76 hours.

I offer no guarantees whatsoever that any of this is correct.
Old 01-09-2014 | 05:47 AM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
That's what I was thinking. Putting money into all 69 320s is good news. They aren't getting the IFEs like the 319s, but refurbing them has to extend their life for 3-5 year min I'd think.
Not sure what's going on with the 320's. Ships up to 3250 are coming up on their end-of-life cycles. Airbus publicly doesn't have a life-extension program for 320's and in the past has said it wouldn't offer one. But it's widely known on Virgina Ave that Richard wanted Airbus to offer a program for the oldest birds. I'm assuming if the release says the 60+ 320's then some sort of life extension program is in the works. Then again, my understanding has been the fleet plan took into account only keeping 3251 through 3278 around past 2015.
Old 01-09-2014 | 05:54 AM
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Originally Posted by n9810f
Not sure what's going on with the 320's. Ships up to 3250 are coming up on their end-of-life cycles. Airbus publicly doesn't have a life-extension program for 320's and in the past has said it wouldn't offer one. But it's widely known on Virgina Ave that Richard wanted Airbus to offer a program for the oldest birds. I'm assuming if the release says the 60+ 320's then some sort of life extension program is in the works. Then again, my understanding has been the fleet plan took into account only keeping 3251 through 3278 around past 2015.

Sticking new seats and overhead bins into the 320's is not a very big project compared to what they have in store for the 757's- (IFE, new lavs, new lighting, seats, galleys, bins...) I don't think it will greatly affect the retirement of the oldest A320's. If airbus is offering a life extension program for the 320's, that would be big news in the industry, and so far there's no news...
Old 01-09-2014 | 05:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Sink r8
Heard in the lounge that a good, latest estimate of profit-sharing (gross) is 8.3% of the FLT PAY + FLT advance for 2013, as derived from your Dec 31 2013 pay statement.

In my case, I divided the number by my current hourly pay, and it's ~ 76 hours.

I offer no guarantees whatsoever that any of this is correct.
Anyone have any formulas to calculate profit sharing under our old PWA (15% first $2.5 billion)?

The 5% reduction comes to $125,000,000 reduction of what would have gone to the employee profit sharing plans for all groups. I was just curious what that would have amounted to for pilots.

I'm sure this will get things going back and forth, but regardless I think it's important to see the hard number of what this concession actually cost the pilot group in retrospect.

Before I get accused of being a "black helicopter flying overhead" pilot, I'll say that it was good to see a transition of our compensation from profit sharing into our actual month to month pay checks.
Old 01-09-2014 | 06:18 AM
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Originally Posted by DeadHead
Anyone have any formulas to calculate profit sharing under our old PWA (15% first $2.5 billion)?

The 5% reduction comes to $125,000,000 reduction of what would have gone to the employee profit sharing plans for all groups. I was just curious what that would have amounted to for pilots.

I'm sure this will get things going back and forth, but regardless I think it's important to see the hard number of what this concession actually cost the pilot group in retrospect.

Before I get accused of being a "black helicopter flying overhead" pilot, I'll say that it was good to see a transition of our compensation from profit sharing into our actual month to month pay checks.
Sure. I doubt much of this year's number is influenced by the higher payout > $ 2.5 B profits. So, 10% is 2/3 of 15%. Assuming my math is correct, and I'm getting 76 hours, I'm giving up 38 hours for a 3% raise. The 38 hours is at-risk compensation, so it may or may not be recurring, the 3% remains over the years.

Worth it? I'm not sure.
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