Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
12-22-2013, 09:07 AM
Can't abide NAI
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For anyone going to work in ATL ... wrecks, flooding, construction, have bblocked the bus routes ... no cops helping. Figure an hour or longer for the bus ride until this gets cleared.
12-22-2013, 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Timbo
There's a new game in town, it's called swap two short trips for two 62:00 trips, for a 124hr. line!
And you thought trip parking was hurting you?
That's child's play compared to this new game!
And you thought trip parking was hurting you?
That's child's play compared to this new game!
I don't really see how this can be a long term issue since we have to man the category based on ALV vs block hours. Then again, If there is a way for us to screw ourselves by working more, someone will figure it out pretty quickly.
Timbo - What are your thoughts on how this will affect the manning of the 777 in the long run?
Scoop
12-22-2013, 10:26 AM
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Dead Head, what am I doing wrong?
Deviating on a deadhead (on mainline) placed in coach. I get on board and there is an entire Compass crew deadheading in First. What the !$&& am I doing wrong here?
12-22-2013, 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Timbo
It's a new game, only because it's a new trip.
The old 8 day, 46hr. NRT-SIN trip, thanks to FAR117, is now a 10 day, 62hr. trip.
After bid awards there were about 25 of them in open time, because PBS couldn't build very many lines with it. But now, after a few PCS runs, most of them have been sucked up through swaps, and the open time is nearly all 32 hr. JNB trips.
It's the old rule of unintended consequences, guys are going to be flying MORE, not less, so of course they'll be more rested...
Oh, and it's going to cost the company a small fortune because they are now going to pay 62 hours to cover the same legs flown as the old 46hr. trip.
The old 8 day, 46hr. NRT-SIN trip, thanks to FAR117, is now a 10 day, 62hr. trip.
After bid awards there were about 25 of them in open time, because PBS couldn't build very many lines with it. But now, after a few PCS runs, most of them have been sucked up through swaps, and the open time is nearly all 32 hr. JNB trips.
It's the old rule of unintended consequences, guys are going to be flying MORE, not less, so of course they'll be more rested...
Oh, and it's going to cost the company a small fortune because they are now going to pay 62 hours to cover the same legs flown as the old 46hr. trip.
12-22-2013, 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Scoop
I don't really see how this can be a long term issue since we have to man the category based on ALV vs block hours. Then again, If there is a way for us to screw ourselves by working more, someone will figure it out pretty quickly.
Timbo - What are your thoughts on how this will affect the manning of the 777 in the long run?
Scoop
Timbo - What are your thoughts on how this will affect the manning of the 777 in the long run?
Scoop
If a bunch of guys are flying 124 hours by swapping their 29-32hr. trips for two 62 hr. trips, there won't be as much open time to be covered by reserves, (roughly half as much) so they won't be flying nearly as much, not that they fly all that much anyway. Most don't fly at all from what I've been told.
A couple years ago I had three F/O's in a row who had not flown a trip in:
7mo., 9mo. and 12mo.!
They have not replaced -any- of the Captains who have retired this year, what does that tell you? Either we were over staffed a year ago, or they are shrinking the category, or both. But if guys are going to be allowed to fly 124/mo, well...
12-22-2013, 01:19 PM
meh
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Bucking Bar or someone else smarted up on tablets:
Need some IT advice! I've got 10/11 yo kids. They are begging for "an ipad". They'll only use it to play games... but the dang Nintendo DS things are almost $200, so I'm thinking about it.
-- What's the tablet to get 10yo kids that will let them watch movie, play a game, and maybe actually do some school work?
My choices:
Nook (whatever their top of line is now. I have a Nook tablet and hundreds of books...)
Kindle Fire HD... seems an android tablet, but I'm already on the Nook book std.
iPad 2 ... we have iPhones but no other Apple computers, all microsoft.
iPad mini
android tablets like Samsung Galaxy Tab ... I'm leaning this way, but no experience with these.
Thanks anyone who can shed some light on my Xmas buying trip for tonight!!
Need some IT advice! I've got 10/11 yo kids. They are begging for "an ipad". They'll only use it to play games... but the dang Nintendo DS things are almost $200, so I'm thinking about it.
-- What's the tablet to get 10yo kids that will let them watch movie, play a game, and maybe actually do some school work?
My choices:
Nook (whatever their top of line is now. I have a Nook tablet and hundreds of books...)
Kindle Fire HD... seems an android tablet, but I'm already on the Nook book std.
iPad 2 ... we have iPhones but no other Apple computers, all microsoft.
iPad mini
android tablets like Samsung Galaxy Tab ... I'm leaning this way, but no experience with these.
Thanks anyone who can shed some light on my Xmas buying trip for tonight!!
12-22-2013, 01:34 PM
Da Hudge
Joined APC: Oct 2006
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Originally Posted by Timbo
I'm no expert on what numbers go into the manning formula, if it's based on block hours in category, there should be no change regardless of how many hours each pilot picks up, right? BUT...if there is a component in the formula that measures reserve utilization, well, that will only cut manning.
If a bunch of guys are flying 124 hours by swapping their 29-32hr. trips for two 62 hr. trips, there won't be as much open time to be covered by reserves, (roughly half as much) so they won't be flying nearly as much, not that they fly all that much anyway. Most don't fly at all from what I've been told.
A couple years ago I had three F/O's in a row who had not flown a trip in:
7mo., 9mo. and 12mo.!
They have not replaced -any- of the Captains who have retired this year, what does that tell you? Either we were over staffed a year ago, or they are shrinking the category, or both. But if guys are going to be allowed to fly 124/mo, well...
If a bunch of guys are flying 124 hours by swapping their 29-32hr. trips for two 62 hr. trips, there won't be as much open time to be covered by reserves, (roughly half as much) so they won't be flying nearly as much, not that they fly all that much anyway. Most don't fly at all from what I've been told.
A couple years ago I had three F/O's in a row who had not flown a trip in:
7mo., 9mo. and 12mo.!
They have not replaced -any- of the Captains who have retired this year, what does that tell you? Either we were over staffed a year ago, or they are shrinking the category, or both. But if guys are going to be allowed to fly 124/mo, well...
12-22-2013, 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by buzzpat
Thanks 8
Any place to eat that you could recommend? Nothing too "piloty."
Any place to eat that you could recommend? Nothing too "piloty."
Concierge in lobby has a good list of different eats..
Too many to list; downtown will be cheaper, the main shopping mall on the strand will be closer.
200 m up the road from hotel is a convenience store, good for room treats or pilot drinks.
Bueno,
8
12-22-2013, 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by 8 Cherry Garcia
We went downtown via bus; about 75 cents and 30 minutes but cabbed it back; about 15 dollars and 15 mins...
Concierge in lobby has a good list of different eats..
Too many to list; downtown will be cheaper, the main shopping mall on the strand will be closer.
200 m up the road from hotel is a convenience store, good for room treats or pilot drinks.
Bueno,
8
Concierge in lobby has a good list of different eats..
Too many to list; downtown will be cheaper, the main shopping mall on the strand will be closer.
200 m up the road from hotel is a convenience store, good for room treats or pilot drinks.
Bueno,
8
Just what we're looking for. Mucho gracias!
Buzz
12-22-2013, 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by CAAC ATP
Deviating on a deadhead (on mainline) placed in coach. I get on board and there is an entire Compass crew deadheading in First. What the !$&& am I doing wrong here?
The computer doesn't automatically put you on the upgrade list, you need to do it when you check in or go up to the agent and request to be put on the list.
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