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Old 03-06-2014 | 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by full of luv
I don't think ALPA's concerned about a flood of airlines offering to hire Americans to fly 777's for "significantly more" than the Legacies pay now, it's the companies that will pay less and base in Singapore that is the threat. Creation of stateless carriers will turn the industry into the maritime industry and in quick order Africa, ME, and Central America will hold the certificates to the worlds aircraft cause, hey, no oversight, limited regulation, and look how cheap the fares are.
Why would ALPA be concerned?

The airlines operating in the US should be. I remember when we were in BK, Grinstein, on two occasions, expressed concern in private conversations about pilots, mostly FOs, leaving for foreign carriers.

With state side basing for those same gigs, they are going to attract way more pilots. When their compen$ation out runs what companies here are willing to part with, even more will be enticed.

Competition will not be only be for the passenger and their dollars, but for the currently trained and experienced crews. Take them from a competitor and even better.
Old 03-06-2014 | 07:43 PM
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Originally Posted by RiddleEagle18
So your saying that all ALPA carriers should blackball current cathay pilots? They have US bases.

Thats a pretty broad statement.
Going forward, yes. The ones there get grandfathered. There is zero reason to go overseas now. Every legacy is going to be hiring in droves for the foreseeable future. If you go to a foreign owned carrier ESPECIALLY if they have US bases... blackball.
Old 03-06-2014 | 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
ALPA does not have any control over hiring. The lawsuits involved if ALPA even attempted to force this on airline managements would bankrupt the union in short order.
Assuming it is done above board. Why didn't guys who wore brown suits that didn't get hired at DAL sue? Because they couldn't prove it. This is war. And of course a union that has a good working relationship with management might be able to "suggest" that those that went to a foreign owned carrier were directly contributing to unfair competition, and ultimately cabotage issues that will probably arise before you and I retire... therefore... since resumes never get seen... ooops, just didn't make the cut. too bad.
Old 03-06-2014 | 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by iceman49
T, flying the Airbus is like not flying...come on over!
Too old/stubborn to learn that. Now if you can tell me how to disable that retard retard guy, I might be interested. I find that extremely vulgar.
Old 03-06-2014 | 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
Ewwwwwwwww.
Good answer. Everyone senior to 10200.... BACK OFF!
Old 03-06-2014 | 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
Good answer. Everyone senior to 10200.... BACK OFF!
I got another for ya.

I won't ever bid the 747/777/A330 left seat. (Not that I will be able to hold them before age 95 is implemented anyway) So you don't have to worry about me getting in your way there. You are one number closer.
Old 03-06-2014 | 09:26 PM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
Why didn't guys who wore brown suits that didn't get hired at DAL sue?
Actually, Delta's lawyers told them to hire one brown-suiter as a preemptive defense against such lawsuits. It was my lucky day.
Old 03-06-2014 | 11:33 PM
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Hey guys, well, actually, LA guys,

I need some recs for a good AME in the LA area. My guy has retired. Please PM me. I'm north of LAX but willing to go wherever.

Thanks in advance!
Old 03-07-2014 | 02:40 AM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
Assuming it is done above board. Why didn't guys who wore brown suits that didn't get hired at DAL sue? Because they couldn't prove it. This is war. And of course a union that has a good working relationship with management might be able to "suggest" that those that went to a foreign owned carrier were directly contributing to unfair competition, and ultimately cabotage issues that will probably arise before you and I retire... therefore... since resumes never get seen... ooops, just didn't make the cut. too bad.
That is certainly how things operated in years past. It could still go on today if as you state you have a strong relationship with management. Might work at a few airlines but won't work at most.
One thing many pilots don't understand is how radically the court system has turned against unions. The big wave of Bush appointed judges in the early nineties were the final nails in the coffin. There once was a time when a airline union could express dissatisfaction about a contract and negotiations in a number of ways. Those days are gone and we sadly live at the mercy of the NMB.
Old 03-07-2014 | 03:06 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
ALPA does not have any control over hiring. The lawsuits involved if ALPA even attempted to force this on airline managements would bankrupt the union in short order.
In some instances we do indirectly. DAL didn't hire any EAL scabs, crawlbacks either.
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