Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
03-07-2014 | 06:56 AM
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Found an insider look at 80kts getting ready for a trip…those Airbus guys are so fancy...
03-07-2014 | 06:57 AM
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Be very kind to your limo driver and Wal-Mart greeter.
03-07-2014 | 06:58 AM
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I'm sure that $1.278M number is not his W2, but includes a lot of the extras the President of ALPA is 'entitled' to, such as his DC apartment rent, lawn service back home, car service, life insurance, his retirement funding, his wine and dine budget, etc. but still, I'll bet his W2 is double what any normal line Capt. at the top ALPA negotiated pay rate is making.
The problem as I see it is, he has to make friends, not enemies in DC. Why? Because of the Middle East carriers wanting to get more access to the US Domestic market.
Remember back to right after 9-11, when UAL and AA were talking about going bankrupt? I heard John McCain answer a reporter's question:
Q. "What if the two biggest US Carriers go out of business?"
John McCain: "If they can't fly the routes and make money, I guess we'll just have to let the Foreign Carriers in to do it."
And remember when UAL Pilot talked about going on strike, to protect their pensions?
Shrub Bush said, "Not on my watch!"
The Big 3 have figured out they have to merge and stop undercutting each other's prices if they want to survive, long term. But remember that USA Today article last month (poster here somewhere) that was crying about the decrease in domestic airline competition, the increased air fares, and the huge earnings the Big 3 are (finally) making?
ALPA can't call an SOS now, because John McCain and his buddies in Congress will just open the flood gates to Foreign airlines, and you and I will be looking for jobs at China Southern.
That's why Lee is trying to make friends, not enemies, in DC, and trying to work WITH the A4A, vs. against them, to get our own elected douchebags to support a strong US Aviation Industry.
The problem as I see it is, he has to make friends, not enemies in DC. Why? Because of the Middle East carriers wanting to get more access to the US Domestic market.
Remember back to right after 9-11, when UAL and AA were talking about going bankrupt? I heard John McCain answer a reporter's question:
Q. "What if the two biggest US Carriers go out of business?"
John McCain: "If they can't fly the routes and make money, I guess we'll just have to let the Foreign Carriers in to do it."
And remember when UAL Pilot talked about going on strike, to protect their pensions?
Shrub Bush said, "Not on my watch!"
The Big 3 have figured out they have to merge and stop undercutting each other's prices if they want to survive, long term. But remember that USA Today article last month (poster here somewhere) that was crying about the decrease in domestic airline competition, the increased air fares, and the huge earnings the Big 3 are (finally) making?
ALPA can't call an SOS now, because John McCain and his buddies in Congress will just open the flood gates to Foreign airlines, and you and I will be looking for jobs at China Southern.
That's why Lee is trying to make friends, not enemies, in DC, and trying to work WITH the A4A, vs. against them, to get our own elected douchebags to support a strong US Aviation Industry.
03-07-2014 | 07:02 AM
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I'm sure that $1.278M number is not his W2, but includes a lot of the extras the President of ALPA is 'entitled' to, such as his DC apartment rent, lawn service back home, car service, life insurance, his retirement funding, his wine and dine budget, etc. but still, I'll bet his W2 is double what any normal line Capt. at the top ALPA negotiated pay rate is making.
The problem as I see it is, he has to make friends, not enemies in DC. Why? Because of the Middle East carriers wanting to get more access to the US Domestic market.
Remember back to right after 9-11, when UAL and AA were talking about going bankrupt? I heard John McCain answer a reporter's question:
Q. "What if the two biggest US Carriers go out of business?"
John McCain: "If they can't fly the routes and make money, I guess we'll just have to let the Foreign Carriers in to do it."
The Big 3 have figured out they have to merge and stop undercutting each other's prices if they want to survive, long term. But remember that USA Today article last month (poster here somewhere) that was crying about the decrease in domestic airline competition, the increased air fares, and the huge earnings the Big 3 are (finally) making?
ALPA can't call an SOS now, because John McCain and his buddies in Congress will just open the flood gates to Foreign airlines, and you and I will be looking for jobs at China Southern.
That's why Lee is trying to make friends, not enemies, in DC, and trying to work WITH the A4A, vs. against them, to get our own elected douchebags to support a strong US Aviation Industry.
The problem as I see it is, he has to make friends, not enemies in DC. Why? Because of the Middle East carriers wanting to get more access to the US Domestic market.
Remember back to right after 9-11, when UAL and AA were talking about going bankrupt? I heard John McCain answer a reporter's question:
Q. "What if the two biggest US Carriers go out of business?"
John McCain: "If they can't fly the routes and make money, I guess we'll just have to let the Foreign Carriers in to do it."
The Big 3 have figured out they have to merge and stop undercutting each other's prices if they want to survive, long term. But remember that USA Today article last month (poster here somewhere) that was crying about the decrease in domestic airline competition, the increased air fares, and the huge earnings the Big 3 are (finally) making?
ALPA can't call an SOS now, because John McCain and his buddies in Congress will just open the flood gates to Foreign airlines, and you and I will be looking for jobs at China Southern.
That's why Lee is trying to make friends, not enemies, in DC, and trying to work WITH the A4A, vs. against them, to get our own elected douchebags to support a strong US Aviation Industry.
03-07-2014 | 07:02 AM
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From: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler
Be careful if you click on DogWhisper's link ... that YouTube Channel has some odd crap on it ... all of our families YT accounts are linked. Don't want the wife to turn on the TV with the Pastor at the house and think ... "wow, that's why Bar is so tired after a trip."
03-07-2014 | 07:04 AM
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I saw that number too. Yes, it's a lot of money. But how was the calculus done? I know if you take our total compensation (insurance, retirement etc...) it pumps the number up quite a lot. LM gets a housing allowance, vehicle allowance, and other things. It is a good gig, that's for sure. But is it enough to give DPA a shot in the arm? For me, it's not. Maybe others feel differently.
A 2 percent raise isn't going to cut it for me this next go around. A giveback of any kind isn't going to work for me either. I don't want to hear that negotiations are 'give and take'. The company has taken and we have given plenty. Our executives don't ask what they have to give up to get a raise. When the FA's get the same raise as us, they don't get more days on reserve. Are you listening DALPA??
A 2 percent raise isn't going to cut it for me this next go around. A giveback of any kind isn't going to work for me either. I don't want to hear that negotiations are 'give and take'. The company has taken and we have given plenty. Our executives don't ask what they have to give up to get a raise. When the FA's get the same raise as us, they don't get more days on reserve. Are you listening DALPA??
As a nearly 25 year ALPA member, I have never seen this much excess while we are trying to claw back our careers post bk.
It is so tone deaf, specially when one of the largest airlines in ALPAs stable is fighting a representation battle and the union is also settling large law suits and trying to rebuild a depleted MCF.
YGTBSM!
03-07-2014 | 07:14 AM
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03-07-2014 | 07:17 AM
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Hmmm….Bar….not sure what you've been looking at on Youtube…the raciest thing on mine is Al Bundy fitting women in with big hair with shoes….I will pull it down, though, if'n you are having a sunday school get together anytime soon...
03-07-2014 | 07:42 AM
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I saw that number too. Yes, it's a lot of money. But how was the calculus done? I know if you take our total compensation (insurance, retirement etc...) it pumps the number up quite a lot. LM gets a housing allowance, vehicle allowance, and other things. It is a good gig, that's for sure. But is it enough to give DPA a shot in the arm? For me, it's not. Maybe others feel differently.
A 2 percent raise isn't going to cut it for me this next go around. A giveback of any kind isn't going to work for me either. I don't want to hear that negotiations are 'give and take'. The company has taken and we have given plenty. Our executives don't ask what they have to give up to get a raise. When the FA's get the same raise as us, they don't get more days on reserve. Are you listening DALPA??
A 2 percent raise isn't going to cut it for me this next go around. A giveback of any kind isn't going to work for me either. I don't want to hear that negotiations are 'give and take'. The company has taken and we have given plenty. Our executives don't ask what they have to give up to get a raise. When the FA's get the same raise as us, they don't get more days on reserve. Are you listening DALPA??
It will definitely give the DPA a shot in the arm, because at first glance it is excessive to the point of being insulting to line Pilots - many who make less than 5-10% of that compensation.
Maybe it is justifiable after a well thought out analysis, but my initial emotional response was anger.
Personally, I am truly torn on this issue. I want my union leaders to be very well compensated because I want the best guys in there. I also realize they operate in the "cesspool" that is Washington DC, and that money and status help.
But on the other hand it appears that many of our previous ALPA leaders got caught up in the DC culture and lifestyle. Some seem to have used the ALPA job as a stepping stone to bigger and better things.
I know this will never happen with Lee Moak, because Lee Moak isn't even interested in running for ALPA National. I know this because smart men told me so on this forum and the DALPA forum many years ago.
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03-07-2014 | 07:51 AM
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From: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler
This time the DPA actually posted objective information, but may have missed the context. I am no CPA, so I do not know how the President's retirement compensation works ... but that's where the money went for the most part. It may be that it was paid out in a lump sum, or "earned" per some sort of schedule that resulted in a dump.
I think it is best to wait for an answer rather than responding emotionally. If there is abuse, then this is a terrible time for this news to break. We've got bigger fish to fry, especially if this was some sort of retirement funding which is just a quirk of timining.
I think it is best to wait for an answer rather than responding emotionally. If there is abuse, then this is a terrible time for this news to break. We've got bigger fish to fry, especially if this was some sort of retirement funding which is just a quirk of timining.
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