iFlyer

You can actually just drop it using as few as one payback day. The strategy is to drop the most expensive day, and get paid for it, then greenslip or whiteslip inside the footprint for more pay.

LeineLodge

The question though is can you drop day 3 only and get all the credit from the trip?

groundstop

As someone else said, you lose 1/17th. But to expand on that... does anyone know the answer to this?

Let say in the above scenario you have a week of vacation. So you have 7 days of vacation, 10 x-days, and 14 on call days.

Now if you drop a day, what are you losing? My guess is you are losing 1/14th of some pro-rated reserve guarantee?

Scoop

[QUOTE=groundstop;1598081]As someone else said, you lose 1/17th. But to expand on that... does anyone know the answer to this?

Let say in the above scenario you have a week of vacation. So you have 7 days of vacation, 10 x-days, and 14 on call days.

Now if you drop a day, what are you losing? My guess is you are losing 1/14th of some pro-rated reserve guarantee?[/QUOTE]




Thanks for expanding on this as your situation is exactly what I am trying to decipher. I looked at the live contract and it just says "pro-rata" which is not to helpful in these complex cases.

I don't think your example of 1/14th could be correct because if it were than we would be charged more for a drop in a vacation month. Seems to go against the spirit of a "vacation."

Any contract savvy guys have anything to add?

Scoop

gloopy

All true. However I just don't see the politcal will to preserve what is now a disproportionate benefit when there are other ways to address the former abuses. I just don't see the zero recovery system we have now surviving another contract or two. It will be monetized because its low hanging fruit that benefits very few to an extremely high degree. While the rest of the line swine are banging out high AVL's and sitting more SC's, everyone will know someone who is getting months off at a time or doing a standard "case load" of flying for triple pay.

I also don't think we're going to snap back to the abusive way it used to be. But if a recovery system is proposed that strictly protects originally awarded report and release times and honors the same redeye and theatre paradigms, hotels in domicile and a positive space commute for each originally scheduled front or back end DH, plus greater of per day pay protection, I don't think you're going to see 51% of the pilot group turn down sorely needed across the board improvements just so that a couple guys per category can buddy bid with check airmen and get their entire month off, or that plus GS for a month and make triple pay.

True, but its still low hanging fruit and we still have gaping holes in our overall pay and QOL that need to be addressed. I just don't see this one surviving once it fully starts to play out over the next year or so.



Yes, the definition hasn't changed, but actually moving to change the historic way its been calculated for generation(s) just to "get around" the new regs with lawyer tricks is disgusting and cuts into safety. Door pay is not worth it for that reason alone. In addition to that, it will be a massive productivity gift to the company that will require less lineholders to fly the same current block time and less reserves to cover the illegalities. If we get door pay great, but we need door block out, for both pay and block time. Otherwise we are cutting into the improved but still lacking safety margins for a few bucks. Not interested.

gloopy

No. If that were the case, every pilot in any category would bid RSV every other month, pick up one GS per month, then use 3 or 4 payback days to drop the entire next month for full pay. Obviously we can't do that. One day only buys you one day. You can, however, use it for the highest credit day.

Boomer

If you're wondering why the guy on the left starts twitching around like Angus, just keep watching for ten seconds...

Plus there's underboob if you look hard enough.

gloopy

I saw plenty of öberboob. Time stamp the underboob plz.

Boomer

By "look hard enough" I meant "hold your device upside-down".

Busted.

Bucking Bar

Anybody buying bricks?

ACL65 helped a lot of people here. I was thinking of buying a "thank you" brick. Does anyone want to pitch in and make it a big one?