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03-10-2014 | 07:55 AM
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03-10-2014 | 07:56 AM
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Why?
Anyone?
If RES pilots are getting "PD" put on their schedules for complying with the PWA, but not the SD edict and yet are still getting paid then I completely understand the justification for not filing a grievance. But if the pilots are not being paid for that reserve day where they get a "PD" (most likely the case, right?), then why hasn't a grievance been filed?
There are a couple of reps who read this board. Maybe they can give us more?
03-10-2014 | 07:58 AM
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03-10-2014 | 08:03 AM
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If you are given a PD in response to an assignment notification that is in compliance with our PWA, please notify us immediately.
While we are working to reach an agreement, please remember policy cannot supersede the PWA.
Read that last sentence from the MSP reps carefully.
I also understand no pilots have lost pay from a failure to comply with the policy.
That would be great news if it were true.
Can any ALPA guys confirm?
Nobody is losing any pay for following the PWA instead of Dickson's memo?
03-10-2014 | 08:07 AM
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As you understand it no pilots have lost pay for failing to comply with SD's policy (edict)? So they're getting a "PD" on their schedules but still getting paid? I find that hard to believe.
Two questions:
1. Has a grievance been filed?
2. Can a reserve pilot who has had a "PD" placed on his/her schedule for complying with the PWA, but not SD's policy (i.e. acknowledged the trip inside 10 hours, but within 3 hours) tell us here if they've had pay deducted as a result?
If RES pilots are getting "PD" put on their schedules for complying with the PWA, but not the SD edict and yet are still getting paid then I completely understand the justification for not filing a grievance. But if the pilots are not being paid for that reserve day where they get a "PD" (most likely the case, right?), then why hasn't a grievance been filed?
Two questions:
1. Has a grievance been filed?
2. Can a reserve pilot who has had a "PD" placed on his/her schedule for complying with the PWA, but not SD's policy (i.e. acknowledged the trip inside 10 hours, but within 3 hours) tell us here if they've had pay deducted as a result?
If RES pilots are getting "PD" put on their schedules for complying with the PWA, but not the SD edict and yet are still getting paid then I completely understand the justification for not filing a grievance. But if the pilots are not being paid for that reserve day where they get a "PD" (most likely the case, right?), then why hasn't a grievance been filed?
When I inquired with DALPA, they said they wouldn't take up the issue since their records showed I didn't check my schedule after 1500 base time the day prior to starting reserve. I was watching "Daily Trips Covered" but neglected to view "Current Schedule." I can't back it up with timestamps, but my dropped rotation was awarded sometime during my commute. I guess I didn't comply with schedule checking requirements, but see it as a moot point due to when the trip was assigned (sometime between midnight and 0300 base time).
= Free day off with no pay.
03-10-2014 | 08:08 AM
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03-10-2014 | 08:10 AM
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OK, I gotta admit, I haven't been following this P/D discussion. Can somebody post the bullet points of this please?
03-10-2014 | 08:16 AM
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Again, my post is second hand rumor. Call your Rep if you want to know what is happening, or wait for official comm.
03-10-2014 | 08:20 AM
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I don't think you're paying attention. Every rep I've spoken with, and everything they've put out to us, has been clear. The PWA supersedes policy.
Here's the guidance from the DTW reps:
Lacking a negotiated agreement stating otherwise, ALPA believes that the PWA language should be enforced and will “vigorously represent” a pilot who is removed from an assignment and is
subsequently penalized by having a PD (Personal Drop = loss of a day’s pay) placed on their
schedule, and being required to have a “talk” with a Chief Pilot,
Here's the guidance from the MSP reps:
Although ALPA has been engaged in negotiations for over 2 months with Flight Ops to achieve mutually acceptable changes to our PWA to reconcile the differences between the current PWA language and the new restrictions under FAR 117, an agreement has not been reached. Flight Ops has instituted a policy that instructs pilots to self-notify for assignments that ensures compliance with FAR 117, but this policy also infringes upon the terms of our PWA. In those situations where pilots are ineligible to accept an assignment for failing to comply with Flight Ops policy, a Personal Drop (PD) is being placed on the pilot’s line, which can have a negative effect on the pilot’s pay. If there is a CPR (Chief Pilot Review) placed on your line, you will need to speak to a chief pilot before any additional flying will be assigned to you. Because the policy unilaterally changes PWA language that is clear and unambiguous, we are committed to protecting pilots who are penalized for complying with our PWA.
If you are given a PD in response to an assignment notification that is in compliance with our PWA, please notify us immediately.
While we are working to reach an agreement, please remember policy cannot supersede the PWA.
Read that last sentence from the MSP reps carefully.
As I understand it, many pilots on reserve are acknowledging assignments earlier than required by the PWA because it benefits them (hotels, commuting timing, etc). I also understand no pilots have lost pay from a failure to comply with the policy.
Here's the guidance from the DTW reps:
Lacking a negotiated agreement stating otherwise, ALPA believes that the PWA language should be enforced and will “vigorously represent” a pilot who is removed from an assignment and is
subsequently penalized by having a PD (Personal Drop = loss of a day’s pay) placed on their
schedule, and being required to have a “talk” with a Chief Pilot,
Here's the guidance from the MSP reps:
Although ALPA has been engaged in negotiations for over 2 months with Flight Ops to achieve mutually acceptable changes to our PWA to reconcile the differences between the current PWA language and the new restrictions under FAR 117, an agreement has not been reached. Flight Ops has instituted a policy that instructs pilots to self-notify for assignments that ensures compliance with FAR 117, but this policy also infringes upon the terms of our PWA. In those situations where pilots are ineligible to accept an assignment for failing to comply with Flight Ops policy, a Personal Drop (PD) is being placed on the pilot’s line, which can have a negative effect on the pilot’s pay. If there is a CPR (Chief Pilot Review) placed on your line, you will need to speak to a chief pilot before any additional flying will be assigned to you. Because the policy unilaterally changes PWA language that is clear and unambiguous, we are committed to protecting pilots who are penalized for complying with our PWA.
If you are given a PD in response to an assignment notification that is in compliance with our PWA, please notify us immediately.
While we are working to reach an agreement, please remember policy cannot supersede the PWA.
Read that last sentence from the MSP reps carefully.
As I understand it, many pilots on reserve are acknowledging assignments earlier than required by the PWA because it benefits them (hotels, commuting timing, etc). I also understand no pilots have lost pay from a failure to comply with the policy.
03-10-2014 | 08:36 AM
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From: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler
I think the bullet point is that pilots very, very, far below your seniority were told to monitor their schedules for reserve trip assignments in ways that did not abide the language in our PWA. Some decided to follow their contract and the Company has also followed the contract, or at least not pursued that matter in a form which would result in a grevance yet.
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