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Old 03-23-2014 | 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
The fact that foreign entities are getting US-subsidized financing where US carriers cannot is sickening. Especially in this era of "free markets," and "free trade." It's not supposed to be fair or make sense anymore, it's all about the lobbying.
Exactly. This isn't about the home team or American jobs, this is about soft fascism at its finest. Boeing is not going away, with or without government welfare for foreign airlines using our own petro dollars to threaten us to subsidize them as they try and yank an entire industry out from under us.

Boeing is nads deep in the extremely bloated global police state "defense" industry as well. They aren't going anywhere. They aren't just too big to fail, they're too big to flush.

As for Ford/Chevy vs Honda/Toyota, which is more "American", a Ford made largely in Mexico, a Chevy made in Canada, or a Honda made in Indiana or a Toyota made in Kentucky?

Boeing is outsourcing tons of jobs to foreign countries, and Airbus is opening plants in the US.

Yet the shieks keep bribing us with our own money and we keep falling for it.

Its far beyond time to close the "Bank of Boeing".
Old 03-23-2014 | 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by gloopy
Why didn't you stay the extra 0.5 and finish up?
i went summers. crammed 5 years into 3.5.

i wish i had taken 5 years to do 5. dammit. i was having too much fun then i get a email that the end was nearing and then they said goodbye.

then i went from a place with 12000 coeds to look at, vast majority were very attractive, to the crew room in the bottom of terminal B in IAH. depressing.
Old 03-23-2014 | 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
i went summers. crammed 5 years into 3.5.

i wish i had taken 5 years to do 5. dammit. i was having too much fun then i get a email that the end was nearing and then they said goodbye.

then i went from a place with 12000 coeds to look at, vast majority were very attractive, to the crew room in the bottom of terminal B in IAH. depressing.
Yeah but now you can go back and troll the quad in uniform, for great success!
Old 03-23-2014 | 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by gloopy
Yeah but now you can go back and troll the quad in uniform, for great success!
Only if he's wearing the double breasted horse blanket and hat.
Old 03-23-2014 | 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
I guess you don't like the 777, 787 and every modern fighter and the C-17, either.
Very different logic in the 787 verses the airbus. Also very different logic in FBW aircraft I flew. They are many types and implementations of FWB systems. Airbus designed their system to be cheap and easy to manufacturer. They could have included a rate motion feedback loop but they chose not to. They could have included back driven controls but they chose not to. The could have allowed pilot selectable modes but choose not to. Nothing wrong with what they did. They built it from the start to be the hamburger helper of the airline world. For the most part it's worked out for them. Best comment I heard from a several thousand hour A330 pilot when asked how it flew, "I don't know I have never flown it!" You will never hear a 777 pilot say that.
They do have great cockpits and it's a nice work space.
Old 03-23-2014 | 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by dalad
Only if he's wearing the double breasted horse blanket and hat.
Chicks dig the hat.

Old 03-23-2014 | 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Timbo
I keep forgetting that our "new" 777's are really over 20 year old designs, and Delta took delivery of their first 767 back in 1983, which makes that design well over 30 years old!

It sucks getting old!
I was an AA engineering student at UW in Seattle in the late 80's, Boeing's backyard. We got several presentations from Boeing alumni who were working on the program about how the 777 was the first airplane design proofed on computers and finite element analysis vs the old clay in the wind tunnel / material strength testing methods.
Also marked the end of overheads and the birth of Powerpoint!!!
Old 03-23-2014 | 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by NWA320pilot
T I hear this statement all the time but it is from guys that have never flown an Airbus product. After flying both I love Boeing but they could learn a lot from Airbus.
Originally Posted by Dorfman
T it's ok I will save a seat for you on the dark side. After flying the baby bus I can't imagine shoehorning my self into a 737 cockpit.

I have flown with enough ex "Boeing or I am not going" types to tell you, once you go bus you never go back. Well until bigger pays better.
I also know a couple of people that went to the dark side and said it was the biggest mistake of their career. I know you guys love it, and that's great. I don't like the complete lack of secondary inputs that the pilots brain is forced to do without. It's just not for me. I think it is an unsafe design. Sorry. nothing personal. I am really glad you guys like it. But mostly until you can figure a way to disable that damned idiot calling retard retard... I just can't.....






Originally Posted by Claybird
If I were ever told "well, we're switching to the airbus guys", I'd say "thanks for the memories and good luck y'all. I'm retiring".

Plus, Boeing's one of the last bastions of american manufacturing (okay, outsourcing notwithstanding). And it's a damn fine product, too.

This.... probably.
Old 03-23-2014 | 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by FIIGMO
What about our jobs and the damage the Bank is doing to our future? Notice how many Norwegian 787 are being built? Look long term and our jobs will be exported just the same.... Boeing workers jobs are very safe when the foreign government supported airlines get stronger and we get weaker because of bad US policy........

This all stinks and IMHO we are facing the same fate as the US merchant marines........... Unfortunately I think it is inevitable. I will save what I can and enjoy the ride for now, fight the good fight, fund some ALPA PAC money...... Maybe ride out the last few years working as a subcontractor for a foreign carrier.......
this^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Boeing makes rockets and lots of military hardware. They either compete against Airbus or not. But using OUR taxpayer dollars to prop up Boeing and the ExIm bank to fund OUR competition is just plain wrong. And I don't believe BA is going out of business either, but if it comes down to them or us... I vote them.
Old 03-23-2014 | 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
I also know a couple of people that went to the dark side and said it was the biggest mistake of their career.
Did they say why? I've flown em' both, generally prefer Boeing from a pilots perspective, but mission, lifestyle, and pay come first, and there is nothing on the Airbus I consider no-go. 330 flying is probably best in the airline if you like international.

But I like MD's too, so you know I'm a cheap date
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