Originally Posted by Roadkill (Post 1558526)

I overheard that SLC Capt rep last week... in all my time at Delta, I have never listened to a person I felt represented the pilot's point-of-view or needs and desires, less. I literally thought I was watching some scheduling company man for most of the discussion. He arrogantly dismissed every point pilots made, and it appeared his mission was to argue why the most extreme pro-company scheduling view of any FAR 117 issue was the absolutely only viable view.

I can't honestly think of a person I've ever met at Delta whom I would want to represent me less. In subsequent discussions overheard with the CP, I heard a much better and more pro-pilot attitude. I felt I was in some movie where the Priest you go to for help is actually Satan in disguise...

Originally Posted by DogWhisperer (Post 1558602)

"One lucky Delta new hire receives his first seniority list"

Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver (Post 1558609)

LOL! That's a good one!

Welcome to all our new hires!!! :)

Originally Posted by flyallnite (Post 1558294)

The power went out today, as it often does at my home. I don't have a land-line phone, but instead rely on internet phone, and an internet "bridge" for my mobile phone, which it requires since the tower signal is spotty here. This almost always works flawlessly. Except when there is no power! Under the current (I almost said 'old') reserve rules, it was no problem. So long as I checked my schedule every 9 hours, I could rest assured, literally! If the power had stayed off, which it often does, and I want to comply with the 'fantasy leash', I have to get out of bed every 3 hours, get in my car, and drive down the road until I have a solid cell signal. I don't think so, Steve. :p

Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver (Post 1558432)

[/B][/FONT] Yes, that is exactly what they are using and is what they keep throwing at me in response. However, as you point out, they are leaving out a critical part of the FAR, i.e. the mandated "8 hour uninterrupted sleep opportunity."



I agree. We are definitely backed by the law and I would not hesitate to delay the pick up time. I need a MINIMUM of 9 hours "behind the door" in order to have any opportunity for 8 hours of sleep. And that's really pushing it... 9 1/2 is better. I will not intentionally violate an FAR, no matter who is pushing me to do so.

So the law backs us. Is our union going to back us? Right now, I can't tell. If the scheduling committee chair and at least one LEC rep get their way, ALPA's official stance is going to be that 8 hours behind the door satisfies the FAR. We're going to have a number of pilots who will take that to heart. What will happen if one of our pilots agrees to "8 hours behind the door" and then the next morning, heaven forbid, he runs off the runway. When the FAA investigates and finds out he didn't have an opportunity for 8 hours of sleep, they are going to hang him (or her) out to dry.

Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 1558651)

And the company will as well, throwing that rogue regulation ignoring pilot under the bus with a flurry of AP press releases about how all pilots are encouraged to get the rest needed and we would hapilly delay a flight, safety is number one, etc. Do not let anyone push you on the rules or safety. If we do now, it will become accepted practice and the only way to get backing will be after something happens.

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1558553)

His actual statement was that they might begin the hiring process in the fall of 12.

Originally Posted by Alan Shore (Post 1558606)

FWIW, this is the same guy who led the CROT for the A330-300.

Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver (Post 1558660)

So we've got, depending on who you talk to, DALPA pushing us to violate FAR 117. Okay, maybe they're not "pushing" us... but they're certainly giving us bad information. Bad information on which someone is going to rely and end up being in violation.