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NuGuy 01-14-2014 10:34 AM


Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 1558897)
I have. I know one pilot flew 9:35 of block in one day. His last flight was from LAS-DTW. He said they had 170kt planned tailwind. It was actually only 70kts. They were also filed at 250 cost index. He said dispatch also had a 5 minute taxi in on flight plan and a 10 minute taxi out. Everything assumed best case scenario. This pilot said flight panned out exactly as he expected and they went over FAR's by :35.

For my flight, my LATT was inaccurate. It used our planned flight time (which going to ATL is always short unless it is the middle of the night and you are landing in the right direction VMC) + 10 minutes taxi in. We went way over. Fortunately, we weren't that close to our LATT. It was a bad time though. I am extremely disappointed with how our company is handling the new FAR's. I have a feeling violations are coming our way.

IMHO, in these instances, an ASAP would be wholly appropriate.

Nu

Timbo 01-14-2014 10:35 AM

I just went in the back door, all the Feb. 14 Capt. bids are posted.

Scoop 01-14-2014 11:24 AM


Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 1558897)
I have. I know one pilot flew 9:35 of block in one day. His last flight was from LAS-DTW. He said they had 170kt planned tailwind. It was actually only 70kts. They were also filed at 250 cost index. He said dispatch also had a 5 minute taxi in on flight plan and a 10 minute taxi out. Everything assumed best case scenario. This pilot said flight panned out exactly as he expected and they went over FAR's by :35.

For my flight, my LATT was inaccurate. It used our planned flight time (which going to ATL is always short unless it is the middle of the night and you are landing in the right direction VMC) + 10 minutes taxi in. We went way over. Fortunately, we weren't that close to our LATT. It was a bad time though. I am extremely disappointed with how our company is handling the new FAR's. I have a feeling violations are coming our way.



Hockey,

I concur with NU - that merits an ASAP. I was however, specifically referring to the schedulers who have been very timid about 117. Maybe dispatch and crew tracking are taking a more aggressive approach?

Scoop

Doug Masters 01-14-2014 11:32 AM


Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1558902)
I just went in the back door, all the Feb. 14 Capt. bids are posted.

Timbo, you seem to have a backdoor fetish. :)

Razorback one 01-14-2014 11:54 AM

[QUOTE=DAL 88 Driver;1558798]

Having said that, there are some within DALPA that are misinterpreting the 8 hour uninterrupted sleep opportunity in FAR 117 to be identical to the "8 hours behind the door" provision of our pilot contract.

I know that I'm dense so please forgive me. I've followed this and still can't wrap my head around how 8 behind the door is not 8 hours of sleep opportunity. Please explain this to me.

DLpilot 01-14-2014 12:00 PM

[QUOTE=Razorback one;1558969]

Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver (Post 1558798)

Having said that, there are some within DALPA that are misinterpreting the 8 hour uninterrupted sleep opportunity in FAR 117 to be identical to the "8 hours behind the door" provision of our pilot contract.

I know that I'm dense so please forgive me. I've followed this and still can't wrap my head around how 8 behind the door is not 8 hours of sleep opportunity. Please explain this to me.

Let's say you get in your hotel room at midnight and have a 8 am pickup. What time do you set your alarm? Best case would be 7 hours of sleep opportunity.

RonRicco 01-14-2014 12:01 PM

[QUOTE=Razorback one;1558969]

Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver (Post 1558798)

Having said that, there are some within DALPA that are misinterpreting the 8 hour uninterrupted sleep opportunity in FAR 117 to be identical to the "8 hours behind the door" provision of our pilot contract.

I know that I'm dense so please forgive me. I've followed this and still can't wrap my head around how 8 behind the door is not 8 hours of sleep opportunity. Please explain this to me.

Because the minute I close the door there is now way to get settled in to a bed in "zero" seconds and certainly no way to shower, get dressed in "zero" seconds in the morning. Best case for normal people, 8 hours behind the door provided 7:15 of sleep opportunity. (15 minutes wind down and 30 minutes to prepare for pick up)

So, 8 hours of sleep opportunity is really more like 8:45 behind the door. That doesn't guarantee you will sleep for 8, but at least you had the opportunity.

Bucking Bar 01-14-2014 12:05 PM

[QUOTE=RonRicco;1558976]

Originally Posted by Razorback one (Post 1558969)

Because the minute I close the door there is now way to get settled in to a bed in "zero" seconds and certainly no way to shower, get dressed in "zero" seconds in the morning.

Showers are over rated. Bid Guadualajara. Take a shower, and you're dirtier than you were when you started.

LivingTheDream 01-14-2014 12:18 PM


Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1558902)
I just went in the back door, all the Feb. 14 Capt. bids are posted.

Must have closed it... not avail either wide or reasons.

LivingTheDream 01-14-2014 12:20 PM

momentary hick-up... working now.


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