Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver (Post 1559542)

And that STILL doesn't satisfy the requirement of FAR 117. You didn't allow for time the next morning to get ready. Per the FAR, you need an opportunity for 8 hours of sleep, not 8 hours in the room or 8 hours from laying down in bed. Unless you've found a way to brush your teeth, shower, shave, get dressed, and pack in your sleep, your suggestion still does not work.

Oh, and those two (or is it four?) don't look ready for sleep. :D

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1559557)

Good point, and who cares? If I had them on an overnight you would not hear a bit of complaint from me, I'd be ....

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Originally Posted by TenYearsGone (Post 1559595)

I probably missed it so I will ask again. Will the company provide us with crew meals on these 8+ hour days, even though we arent going to block more than 5:XX hrs per segment? It seems like it would be efficient if the company provide us with a nice and balanced quality meal to keep us energized and awake. Without negotiating or giving up anything, I would think it would be in the best interest of the company to keep their "machines" fed and nourished.

TEN

Originally Posted by NuGuy (Post 1558900)

IMHO, in these instances, an ASAP would be wholly appropriate.

Nu

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1559486)

The question was not what each pilots need for sleep might be. I personally need at least 90 minutes in the room before I ever get to sleep. The question is what is FAR legal. That has been defined by the FAA to be 10 hours off with at least 8 hours in your room. Every pilots actual sleep opportunity is going to be different. You have to decide what is the minimum rest you need to be safe. I have delayed my pickup many times for various reasons. Never had Delta say a word about it. Do what you need to be rested. You are not however going to be charged with a FAR violation if you decide 8 hours in the room is sufficient.

Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 1559617)

How could any pilot fall for that?

Originally Posted by TenYearsGone (Post 1559595)

I probably missed it so I will ask again. Will the company provide us with crew meals on these 8+ hour days, even though we arent going to block more than 5:XX hrs per segment? It seems like it would be efficient if the company provide us with a nice and balanced quality meal to keep us energized and awake. Without negotiating or giving up anything, I would think it would be in the best interest of the company to keep their "machines" fed and nourished.

TEN

Originally Posted by TenYearsGone (Post 1559595)

I probably missed it so I will ask again. Will the company provide us with crew meals on these 8+ hour days, even though we arent going to block more than 5:XX hrs per segment? It seems like it would be efficient if the company provide us with a nice and balanced quality meal to keep us energized and awake. Without negotiating or giving up anything, I would think it would be in the best interest of the company to keep their "machines" fed and nourished.

TEN