Good call. Bear in mind too that it is a violation of FAR 117 for the Company to assign a pilot flying, e.g., reserve, inverse assignment, with less than ten hours' notice (12 hours if the first FDP violates the pilot's WOCL).

New pilot fatigue rules go into effect this weekend

Among the efforts to prepare for the new rules detailed by the Journal:

--Delta Air Lines said it is using increased productivity, including up to 15 additional hours from reserves, pilots willing to automatically extend duty time by two hours, and stroke of the pen contract changes to deal with the new rules, keeping the operation staffing neutral.

--United Airlines said it is hiring 60 to 100 pilots a month to deal with the new rules and fill vacancies caused by retirements.

--JetBlue said it has developed an in-house crew tracking program to be used by its 2,500 pilots on company-issued iPads.

--The Air Line Pilots Association (ALPA), the largest pilots union in the nation, is offering a free smartphone app that pilots can use to keep track of how many hours they've worked and slept.

--The Regional Airline Association said its carriers have bumped up staffing by about 5%. Regional carriers typically serve smaller cities rather than hub airports.

I may or may not have ammended that. :D

Let's bear in mind that the PWA does not provide for the use of an MEL that gives any relief on the required pilot rest seat or facility. If the 777 condo is inop, if the curtain on the 7ER is missing, etc., the flight will not operate in compliance with the PWA.

Now the out of base WS's are taking trips when they are out of reserves. :mad: I get the normal WS's......senior guys can do what they want. These out of base WS's......shouldn't happen.

The chance you would have gotten it as a gswc is virtually nil....that fact notwithstanding, how about you bid the way you want to bid, and let everyone else bid the way deem best for them...that work for you chief? gmafb!

So no SC's for 2 days now in SLC. They have 5 LC pilots for tomorrow and didn't assign any SC. Can't figure out how that helps with 117. Everything has been covered with GS, WS, and out of base WS the past 2 days except 1 trip.

Go easy on him. People on here harp on guys for even putting in GS's because if none of us did it then we would hire more. Then when everything melts down everyone throws in WS's, YS's, and out of base WS's. That's even worse because now the trips get covered for straight pay (free if a YS on an X day) when they would have been covered by GS's at premium pay.

While I agree a GSWC is rare, they do happen. I've done 2 and been here 7 years. Both in scenarios just like we are in now. When the robo calls for IA's go out the next option they have is GSWC or cancel the trip.

Letting guys out of base WS is BS because they shouldn't be able to take a trip out of a base they cannot bid into in the first place. They should be able to out of base GS because then everyone else in base has at least had a shot at the trip for straight pay and premium pay.

From what I have heard that is not everything that DALPA is seeking.

I don't understand why you didn't get the trip. It's my understanding that out of base white slips go out only if the trip is inside of 12 hours and only if no reserve has a YS in or a regular pilot has a WS in for it.

From what I was told, basically the only people the out of base white slips beat out are short call pilots.

I tried to out of base white slip a few months this year and found out that they weren't nearly as easy to get as I thought they would be.

They can go out as early as 0800 the day prior to report. Other than that, you're exactly right.